Talk:French Air and Space Force

First "Air Force"

This claim, even qualified as it is, is disingenuous. The Americans clearly have a claim by three years on any military organization using airplanes, even if part of the Army or Navy. The article acknowledges that the French Air Force as a separate service did not exist until the 30's, so if this is the criterion, then the RAF gets the nod, 1918 you know.--Buckboard 18:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Funny that point, when i look at the US Air Force page, it says that the USAF was the last branch of the U.S. military to be formed ... on September 18, 1947.

And if you want to have the first ever independent air force, you should look at the finnish air force, created only one month before the RAF. 90.9.152.140 (talk) 17:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

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Sorting between Armée de l'Air and Aéronavale

A question : looks to me the list of planes is wrong. The Rafale M are operated by the Navy (M stands for Marine). Don't ever tell a pilot or any other serviceman in the French Navy he belongs to the loosy Armée de l'Air...

Sorry cant find any reference to Rafale M, but I have removed the reference to the Navy order in the aircraft table. MilborneOne (talk) 22:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Would like to see Photos of early French Air Force Planes

Would appreciuate seeing photos of early french Aikr Force Aircraft(perhaps from 1909 ) By the way 109 and today marks the 100th anniversary of the Frebch Air Force! Merci' Thank You(Dated PMMon,Spet.1,200921stcent By Dr. Edson Andre' Johnson D.D.ULC "X")ANDREMOI (talk) 21:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Logo

Help. I'm new here and i can not edit the page. Can someone with an account edit the logo, as there is a new one since Februaary 2010 (which can be found here : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/4/4e/Logo_armee_de_l_air.jpg)? Thx in advance! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.16.50.91 (talk) 14:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Alpha Jets

France bought 176 Alpha Jets. Why does this article show them as operating 140, while the Alpha Jet entry has the French Air Force down as operating 99 of them?

Which is it?

Also, what happened to to the others? Can't imagine attrition being that high. Have they eliminated some airframes over the past 20 years due to the end of the Cold War and reduced training needs? Were they cannibalized and scrapped, mothballed in France, or sold to foreign air arms or civilians? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.2.150 (talk) 08:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

A bit of original research using http://www.scramble.nl/milbase.htm gives 152 active, 20 destroyed, 3 in use as instructional airframes and one stored = 176 MilborneOne (talk) 19:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

How current is the info?

I was asked to look at the list of FAF aircraft by someone who wonders if it's accurate. I believe that it is, but as with most such entries on wikipedia, there's no indication when the list was compiled. Would it be possible to make that a standard procedure on wiki from now on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Btillman (talk • contribs) 14:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I believe I compiled allot of the data for the FAF article. But that was now a year ago. However, it appears it has mostly remained unchanged save for a few updates. therefore the list is displaying early 2010 numbers with minor edits up to mid 2011. Recon.Army (talk) 18:41, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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Designation of french air force

In this article French Air Force is shorten by ALA. They are no proper acronyms in French for designating the Armée de l'aire. ALA sounds uncorrect I suppose the L stands for "L'aire" but in French when making acronyms we never or rarely include "l'". In "Armée de l'Aire" "de" is prior to "l'" ADA would be better than ALA however AA would be the best but it brings more confusion (I suppose AA sounds more like anti-air in english, moreover in an article about air forces). I think ALA should be erase, not that this point does really matter but as ALA doesn't exist in French FAF(French Air Force) wouldn't be more understandable? And in harmony with the English way of designating military forces (RAF, USAAF,...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rippuku (talk • contribs) 21:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I would support ADA. ALA is just mutilating the French language as an acronym. Irondome (talk) 22:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

1990s Chain of Command

• A decree dated 26 April 2007 disestablished the regional commands of the French Air Force, organizing at the national level, effective 1 January 2008. Before the secession of French North Africa (AFN) there were five regions. On 14 July 1991, four regions were reduced to three. These three were the Région aérienne Nord Est, HQ Villacoublay, the Région aérienne atlantique, HQ Bordeaux-Mérignac, and the Région aérienne méditerranée HQ Aix-les-Milles. As of 1 July 2000, the three were reduced to two, the Région Aérienne Nord and the Région Aérienne Sud.

Before 2010, there were five organic (specialised) commands:

• CFAC (Commandement de la Force Aérienne de Combat);
• CFAP (Commandement de la Force Aérienne de Projection);
• Air Surveillance, Information and Communication Systems Command (CASSIC = Commandement Air des Systèmes de Surveillance, d'Informations et de Communications);
• CEAA (Commandement des Écoles de l'Armée de l'Air);
• CFCA (Commandement des Fusiliers Commandos de l'Air). Buckshot06 (talk) 22:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Infobox

Why do some Air Force articles not have the aircraft listed by category in the infobox? It would be useful to add the aircraft in there. Sl3nderman3006 (talk) 11:40, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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Huge and embarrassing omission

The pioneer French aviators of the Service Aéronautique were the first to form fighter squadrons, the first to amass fighter wings, even a fighter division. None of this is in the present article. A half sentence mention in the lede (unmentioned in the body, incidentally), and that's it. You can't even link from Service Aéronautique in the lede to the article, because their is no Service Aéronautique article.

This is a shameful state of affairs, fellow Military History editors. Could some knowledgeable soul step up to the challenge?Georgejdorner (talk) 03:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

There's not even an article for the [[Service Aéronautique]] (this is a redirect to this article) in the French Wikipedia. It appears that you, Mr Dorner, may be the best person to consider doing this, sorry to say.. Do you wish to create at least a stub? Buckshot06 (talk) 01:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC) (FYI Georgejdorner).

If I had had the necessary materials handy, I would have created an article on the subject. I don't; therefore the call for someone else to do it.Georgejdorner (talk) 16:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I did whip up a Service Aéronautique section for this article, though.Georgejdorner (talk) 21:35, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 25 October 2020

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French Air Force → French Air and Space Force – New widely used COMMONNAME as established in English language sources such as: (https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2020/10/05/despite-pressure-from-lawmakers-and-pandemic-french-defense-budget-to-remain-unchanged/) (https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/213700/france-to-order-12-more-rafale-fighters%2C-10-nh90-special-forces-helicopters.html) (https://www.edrmagazine.eu/delivery-of-the-last-vipair-p4-to-the-french-air-force) (https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/first-french-light-reconnaissance-aircraft-to-be-operational-in-2021) Garuda28 (talk) 13:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if it is to soon as it is clearly not widely used as a common name yet. MilborneOne (talk) 14:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Defense News and Jane’s typically are with the standard for the defense industry for things like this. There are plenty of other articles that adopted the Air and Space Force verbiage over the past month since renaming. This would conform with WP:NAMECHANGES. Garuda28 (talk) 14:19, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. Most certainly not the common name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:49, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. So far as I can see "reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name" and so "Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match" per WP:NAMECHANGES. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support. The organization has been officially renamed. Not sure if WP:COMMONNAME applies here or not, but it doesn't matter. That's how it calls itself [1], that's how sources call it. The article name needs to reflect that. --McSly (talk) 02:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support. The force has been renamed. It has been mentioned by the AirForces Monthly magazine produced by Key Publishing in the UK. Gavbadger (talk) 23:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support. The French Air and Space Force is the title of its website [2] even if you don't read French you can translate it. BlueD954 (talk) 08:13, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support. French Air and Space Force does not remove anything to the former title French Air Force. People searching for French Air Force will still end up on this page. WP:COMMONNAME states : "Ambiguous[6] or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources." French Air Force alone is inaccurate and if some sources still uses the old name, they simply may not be aware of the change. I for one do not see anything in the new title that could harm WP:COMMONNAME or induce a confusion for the reader. Quite the other way around. ✦ Cocorico Polynésien – ✉ ✦ 09:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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