Talk:French cruiser Infernet

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 01:54, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Design

• "She displaced 2,428 long tons (2,467 t)." - Is it stated in the source if this is full load or normal load?
  • No, it doesn't unfortunately, and neither do the contemporary sources.
• Was there no armored belt?
  • No, protected cruisers generally only had an armor deck that was sloped at the sides
• Is armor thickness for the gun shields known?
  • No, unfortunately

Service history

• Infobox gives a launch date of 7 July 1899, prose gives 7 September 1899. Which is correct?
  • September, good catch
• "But the completion of her sea trials was delayed until later that year; during speed tests," - I'm not for sure what the Wikipedia MOS guideline is, but every English teacher I've ever had said not to start a sentence with But.
  • I think that's one of the grammar rules we're all taught in school but isn't actually true - see this, for example
• I guess namesake can be added to the infobox for this one, because it's known and cited to a reliable source in the prose.
  • Good idea - it was nice to actually find a reference to the namesake for once.

Other

• Why is this in Category:World War I cruisers of France? Infernet was out of action for several years before the war started.
  • Good question, removed

That's all I see. Good work. I've reviewed several of your submissions to GAN and ACR, and I've had very little to say about all of them. Do you think I've been doing a good job reviewing? Since I'm a somewhat prolific reviewer, I want to make sure I'm keeping up quality. Hog Farm _Bacon 19:46, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, and yes, I think so. One thing is how long I've been doing this - I've had more than ten years of people hammering me on all the mistakes I make (and as you can see, I still make silly mistakes like typing the wrong month) - ask CPA-5 about all the stuff I've had to internalize in the last year or two he's been reviewing the articles I write. The other thing is, in a short article like this, there's only so much material to look at. Parsecboy (talk) 12:57, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Fate

Lloyd's List seems to confirm 1910, not 1909, and gives a bit more context - she was wrecked while being towed to Germany for scrapping, rather than while under her own power. However, the date of 22 November is a couple of days too late (it may be the date she was written off rather than the date of actually running aground)

• 17 November 1910: Nantes, Nov. 16, 8 40 p.m.—German tugboat Hercule put into Sables d'Olonne ; old French man-of-war towed by her ashore near Sables d'Olonne.

• 18 November 1910: INFERNET (cruiser).—Nantes, Nov. 17.—The German tug Hercule left Rochefort Nov.12 towing the old French cruiser Infernet, which had been sold to be broken up. The tug has put into Sables d'Olonne and reports that the tow-rope broke yesterday owing to heavy sea and wind. The Infernet went on to the Barges Rocks, near Sables d'Olonne, and is reported to be lying in a very dangerous position.

• 22 November 1910 INFERNET (cruiser).—La Rochelle, Nov. 18.—The cruiser Infernet, from Rochefort for Stettin (before reported), is lying on a sandy bottom and has only propeller and rudder damaged. Nov 19—The water is too low to allow of attempts being made to float the Infernet.

I can't find an entry after that (Lloyds may have decided that if she was not refloated, there was nothing to report). Andrew Gray (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Andrew Gray:, thanks for posting these - are what you posted transcripts of the newspaper reports? (I want to be careful with what I'm paraphrasing when I update the article with them). And do you have details on the source so I can put together proper citations? Thanks again. Parsecboy (talk) 20:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Parsecboy: I've just checked them against the original and confirmed they're transcripts (I've missed out a crossref to the previous issue on 18 Nov, but otherwise entries are complete as printed). All three are from Lloyd's List in their "Maritime Intelligence" sections; 17 November is p. 11 (under "miscellaneous" at the end of the list), 18 November is p. 8, 22 November is p. 11. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

One other note - there is a reference to "Infernet" in 1909, but it seems to be a different ship. A French crabber of that name ran aground on a beach in Scilly on August 18th. (Lloyd's List 19 August 1909, p 10). I wonder if this is an odd coincidence, or if got garbled in a record somewhere and explains where the 1909 date came from. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, and are those all from the same week? I've never cited Lloyd's before, so I don't know how they number things, but I'm guessing there's a volume or issue number?

Yup, I assume that's where the 1909 date came from. Parsecboy (talk) 21:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

It might be easiest to cite it as a newspaper (with no issue number) rather than a journal (with one), but if you want to use them, the issue numbers are 22822, 22823, and 22826 respectively. Checking that has also led me to discover that the masthead formally has it as the "Shipping & Mercantile Gazette, and Lloyd's List". Andrew Gray (talk) 21:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

That works for me. I've rewritten that paragraph if you want to take a look to make sure it's all correct. Thanks again! Parsecboy (talk) 22:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Looks great! I've tweaked the lead section so it's consistent on 1910 as well. Andrew Gray (talk) 22:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, that had slipped my mind ;) Parsecboy (talk) 23:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)