Talk:French destroyer Le Terrible

Requested move 3 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 21:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

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French destroyer Terrible → French destroyer Le Terrible – WP:Article titles - name most commonly used and WP:Naming conventions (ships) - format. Refer to text, references, sources and links in article to confirm that for this ship Le forms part of the ship name Lyndaship (talk) 11:51, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• Support - per the class article, all vessels similarly prefixed per French grammar rules. Mjroots (talk) 17:05, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per common name (404,000 results for current name on Google, vs only 372,000 for changed name.) -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:52, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

  Support, yes I have indeed [quite embarrassingly] failed to put quotes around search terms. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:03, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

  • Comment. Interesting. How do you do that? I would point out that WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ARTICLETITLE both state that the article title should be what the subject is called in reliable English language sources. Does Google qualify? All of the existing sources given in the article call the ship Le Terrible as do Couhat and Le Masson which I would used to rewrite the article. This class consists of 6 ships all of which had Le or L' as part of the name, currently 2 on Wiki have it and the other 4 I am requesting a name change, 2 you support, 2 you oppose. I think we should be consistent Lyndaship (talk) 14:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Those are pretty close figures, I'd say. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 15:42, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Google is not a decisive RS for an encyclopedical name. It may be supportive when there is a convincing difference, but not when it is this close. - DePiep (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I get 637 for the first, 1540 for the second. This is not really how the title should be chosen, but it appears that User:Iazyges is forgetting to put search terms in quotes when using Google. Dekimasuよ! 20:52, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

• Support. I see no reason Wikipedia may cut in the formal name. - DePiep (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
• Support. No strong reason to modify a proper name, which also changes the meaning, as shown in the article (= a noun "the terrible one", not adjective "terrible"). And we should be very cautious about following sources which are known to be wrong. Davidships (talk) 09:14, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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