Talk:Friedrich Saemisch
Latest comment: 18 hours ago by 162 etc. in topic Requested move 18 October 2024
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Requested move 18 October 2024
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Friedrich Saemisch → Friedrich Saemisch (politician) – Ambiguous with Friedrich Sämisch - these are both the same name, but transliterated differently. Redirect Friedrich Saemisch to the primary topic Friedrich Sämisch. 162 etc. (talk) 19:26, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Although German Wikipedia entries for the two men list their names in the same manner as English Wikipedia, databases for the chess player show "Saemisch", not "Sämisch". While it is indeed basically the same surname, contemporary German references confirm that the form used by the jurist / politician was always "Saemisch", while the chess player's German references indicate "Sämisch". However, the two English-language chess databases at the bottom of his English Wikipedia entry, depict his surname as "Saemisch". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- de.wiki usage is not a consideration.
- "Saemisch" for the chess player can be seen in reliable sources. [1][2] 162 etc. (talk) 16:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- While the jurist/politician's surname seems to have been invariably rendered as "Saemisch", even in the German-speaking world, the chess player's surname in the German-speaking world appears to have been invariably rendered as "Sämisch", per [3] and other German-language websites, but, for English Wikipedia, even a number of English-language websites, such as Chess.com or Chessbase refer to him as Sämisch or even Samisch, rather than consistently as Saemisch.
- Judging by these separate usages in the German-speaking world, Saemisch / Sämisch may well be considered there in the same manner that name spelling differences, such as Philips / Phillips, O'Keefe / O'Keeffe or McMahon / MacMahon are seen in the English-speaking world.
- Thus, it might be intuitive to leave the matter without addition of parenthetical qualifier, therefore not indicating the chess player's main title header, which does not have a qualifier, as apparently primary over the jurist/politician's header for which a qualifier is proposed. The currently existing hatnotes atop each of the entries appear sufficient. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- German-language usage is not a consideration.
- While in general, it's best to avoid parentheticals, we can only do this if the title is unambiguous - and in this case, it's not. 162 etc. (talk) 16:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)