Talk:Friedwardt Winterberg/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Winterberg/Daedulus Class Drive

The following seems a good source on Winterberg's primacy on this type of drive. http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20000065622_2000087317.pdf BobKawanaka (talk) 07:23, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Not to beat a dead horse, but how does it do that? All I can figure out from scanning the article (which is image, not OCR) is that it is an undated submission (not accepted paper) to the 31st AIAA Plasmadynamics and Lasers conference, using an illustration of the Daedalus-type explosion chamber that has the name "Winterberg" in its title (the same image as the Commons image File:Winterberg Daedalus Reaction Chamber.jpg). Do you see anything that I don't see?

The authors are some of the same as those on ref. 22 of the article, the 37th AIAA P&L was in 2006, so this submission was presumably dated ~2000; ref 22 seems to be around 2001. --Alvestrand (talk) 03:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't matter to me all that much one way or the other. Since the original proposal was likely classified at the time, establishing primacy in a typical way might be difficult. My only point was that NASA folks were calling it a Winterberg drive. Surely they could be biased and/or misinformed but in the absence of any other source claiming origination, it seemed reasonable. In any event, the cite is not actually in the article and was only a suggestion. BobKawanaka (talk) 13:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I know the frustration involved in tracking down things like that! The people were 2 from NASA Marshall Flight Center and 3 from University of Alabama-Huntsville, according to the paper - the biggest frustration is that they didn't date their paper, or cite any dated sources.... --Alvestrand (talk) 04:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

FEF

An article about the Fusion Energy Foundation is taking shape. It has two paragraphs which mention Winterberg.

• The FEF received publicity in 1981 when it published a book explaining how to buid a hydrogen bomb written by FEF member and University of Nevada, Reno professor Friedwardt Winterberg. The publication came two years after a magazine, The Progressive, had tried to print similar information but was prevented by an injunction that became the United States v. The Progressive. The government dropped the case after the information was published by the FEF. The author of the original article later learned that a diagram by Uwe Papert published in 1976 in a LaRouche publication contained two important details of the weapon's design that he had been wrong about. [ref>Morland 2005</ref]
• The colonization of Mars is a major proposal of the LaRouche movement. Friedwardt Winterberg described how rocket engines incorporating fusion micro-explosions could provide anough acceleration to convey a large mass in a reasonable amount of time, a concept derived from Project Daedalus.[ref>Winterberg 1981</ref]

Any suggestions?   Will Beback  talk  10:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

According to Winterberg he has never been a member of FEF or any other LaRouche organization. Physiker121 (talk) 22:53, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Source?   Will Beback  talk  23:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Unprotection?

Can this article and talk page be unprotected now so that unregistered users can edit and make comments? We can quickly restore protection if necessary. --TS 20:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The original protection said "‎(WP:BLP violations by SPAs /here too/, OTRS # 2009030810017633)". It's been quiet for a while, so let's try. I've unprotected. --Alvestrand (talk) 14:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. This one should perhaps be watched especially closely (which I will do anyway) because of the OTRS ticket. --TS 15:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Einstein Myth

The Einstein myth that Winterberg uses doesn't say anything about his notoriety. If you read the article it has to do with Einstein's non-Euclidian description of the universe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Physiker121 (talk • contribs) 17:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC)