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This edit is wrong; the relative clause is defining, hence there should not be a comma. Why is ist defining? Because the set of possible referents of an American television sitcom created by David Crane and Marta Kauffman differs from that of an American television sitcom created by David Crane and Marta Kauffman which aired on NBC from September 22, 1994, to May 6, 2004. -- UKoch (talk) 16:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I think you might have missed the defining bit. Its name. Friends. A defining relative clause contains information that is essential to understand what the subject is. You don't need to know the dates it aired to know what sitcom is being discussed.

If there were another sitcom called friends that was created by Crane and Koffman that did not air on those dates, you'd be right. I don't think there is.NEDOCHAN (talk) 23:07, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

See examples to show the point:

'This article is about an American television sitcom created by David Crane and Marta Kauffman'

More info needed. So

that/ which aired on NBC from September 22, 1994, to May 6, 2004

becomes defining. However...

This article is about Friends, an American television sitcom created by David Crane and Marta Kauffman

No more info needed. So

, which aired on NBC from September 22, 1994, to May 6, 2004,

NEDOCHAN (talk) 23:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/relative-clauses-defining-and-non-definingNEDOCHAN (talk) 23:28, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi NEDOCHAN, thanks for your answer. You wrote:

A defining relative clause contains information that is essential to understand what the subject is.

Not the subject, but the antecedent of the relative clause. This antecedent isn't Friends, but an American television sitcom created by David Crane and Marta Kauffman.

Your second example above is wrong for the same reason: You're going beyond the noun phrase that consists of the antecedent and the relative clause.

-- UKoch (talk) 16:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. You can go wherever you like. As per the source I've given.

We use defining relative clauses to give essential information about someone or something – information that we need in order to understand what or who is being referred to.

This is rarely the case when you've named the thing in question already. Defining or non-defining clauses are exactly that. The information viz the airing dates is not required to understand who or what is being referred to.

As for going beyond the noun phrase, I should point out that that's the opposite of what I've done. I've gone before it. To where the definition takes place. You can't ignore the name in order to make the noun phrase essential. Understanding who or what the head noun refers to is the point. The head noun is absolutely relevant. Again, see the Cambridge example I've posted. You'll see the head nouns require more info in the DRC examples. NEDOCHAN (talk) 19:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

The antecedent is 'Friends is an American sitcom' not 'an American sitcom'.NEDOCHAN (talk) 00:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2022

This is a request to change the exact premiere/finale air dates in the lead section to general month/year dates a la this edit 100.7.44.80 (talk) 22:11, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I formally retract this request per Geraldo Perez. 100.7.44.80 (talk) 22:34, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done (edit conflict) Infobox summarizes what is in the lead and article, it doesn't replace it. General practice is to put the full dates in the lead when known and sourced. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

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Please Clarify a Pronoun

What is the antecedent of the pronoun he in this word string: "Ross, who has had a crush on Rachel since high school, often attempts to declare his feelings for her. However many obstacles stand in his way, including his insecurities, Rachel dating an Italian neighbour named Paolo, and the fact that he is expecting a baby with his lesbian ex-wife, Carol, who gives birth to Ben later in the season. Does he refer to Paolo, closest antecedent? (AltheaCase (talk) 18:56, 16 February 2023 (UTC))

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2023

change ‘barista’ to ‘owner’ when referring to Gunther 2A00:23C7:880B:6201:4DD6:FF8C:9DED:646C (talk) 21:31, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: did you miss the part that says "at one point he becomes the manager of the coffee house"? M.Bitton (talk) 23:50, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit request - Link not working

In the episode grid at the beginning of the article, "The Reunion" - despite being a clickable link - doesn't link to anything. Can someone fix this so it goes to Friends: The Reunion - Wikipedia as intended? 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:4432:6ADC:1D07:7C55 (talk) 17:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Both links to the reunion article work fine for me. Callmemirela 🍁 18:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

There are three or more links, not just two. Two of them work fine for me too. The one in the sidebar works fine. The one in the subsection about the Reunion works fine. But the one I'm speaking about (that doesn't work) is the one in the grid under Season Synopsis. When I click on that, the name in the URL changes but it does not actually load the article. If it's just an issue with my browser, then that doesn't explain why the other two links work fine. So I think there is an issue with that one. Can you double check the link in the grid I mention? Can someone else too? 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:4432:6ADC:1D07:7C55 (talk) 18:24, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

You are correct. The same goes for the other seasons. I don't have access to a computer at the moment. If somebody doesn't fix it for me, I'll do it in less than an hour. Callmemirela 🍁 18:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd fix it (I edit as an IP user) but I can't edit this article without an account. 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:4432:6ADC:1D07:7C55 (talk) 18:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Let me know in the meantime if the same happens for other links and the table at List of Friends episodes. Callmemirela 🍁 18:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

That seems ok. 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:4432:6ADC:1D07:7C55 (talk) 18:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I've fixed it. Let me know if it works on your end now. Callmemirela 🍁 19:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Seems to be working fine now. 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:4432:6ADC:1D07:7C55 (talk) 20:11, 8 May 2023 (UTC)