Talk:Frisian Kingdom

aldgisl

I 'ld be very interested to know on which primary source the alleged conflict about former Roman border fortifications has been based. Thank you in advance! Notum-sit (talk) 16:44, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

One of the pieces listed under literature. Can’t tell witch one cause I translated this from the corresponding Frisian article.Pindanl (talk) 18:44, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! It is either Pentz or Verwey, see: edit on fy:. So no direct answer to my question yet.... Best regards, Notum-sit (talk) 07:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality

The idea of Magna Frisia is an ideological construct of the 19th century. Recent archeological research by Johan Nicolai once more pointed out that there were several petty kingdoms in the area during the 7th and 8th centuries. One of them was incorporated by the Francs in 734, others even later.Otto S. Knottnerus (talk) 19:25, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you, 19th century constructs of nationalism were just a more recent political way of defining ethnic groups into civil units of territorial organization. It happened all over the planet. Many regions in late antiquity were little more than clusters of centers of settlement with a similar archaeological culture. Those 19th century constructs are a systematic bias in Wikipedia about European late antiquity. Another 19th century cultural overlay is misrepresenting personal unions of rulers as somehow creating larger scale groupings of people, while ignoring that they may use separate sets laws, including different chartered town rights, and customs. Another systematic bias is to collect things with the same name into larger articles instead of separate articles, thus giving the impression of continuity and ignoring the great migrations of people. —BoBoMisiu (talk) 18:11, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Section Poppo was a mess

The section about the king Poppo / Bubo was very confusing. It used the names Poppo and Bubo interchangeably without drawing a line between them (except both linking to the same article). The two paragraphs also talked about the same battle twice with some parts of the description different and some repeating.

I tried to consolidate the naming and the account of the Battle of the Boarn. I think there are still issues but I can't help any more since this isn't my area of expertise at all. The article on Poppo uses the name Bubo and references the alternative spelling of Poppo, while this article uses the spelling Poppo. That may be OK. I can't guarantee how well sourced the material is, I just moved it around and tried to remove repetition. A lot of it appeared in edit which created this mess. It used this non-reference:

These regions were described as islands (insulae) in contemporary accounts.

I just marked it with "which" and let it be otherwise. Someone knowledgeable in the topic should take a closer look. — Marvin ^talk 01:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Frisian Kingdom is not Frisia or Magna Frisia!!!

Quote: "The Frisian Kingdom (West Frisian: Fryske Keninkryk), also known as Magna Frisia, is a modern name for the post-Roman Frisian realm in Western Europe in the period when it was at its largest (650–734)."

Alas, no! The Kingdom of Frisia was restricted to the provinces of North- and South-Holland and some adjoining territories, though King Radbod may have had some influence in the province of Friesland. The idea that the Frisian kings were rulers of the whole of Frisia (Magna Frisia) is largely ideological and can only be found in outdated literature. Quite misleading is also the link from the wikidata-item Magna Frisia to Kingdom of Frisia. I will skip it.Otto S. Knottnerus (talk) 05:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)