Talk:Frontier Wrestling Alliance

The Status of FWA

"Frontier Wrestling Alliance (FWA) is Europe's highest profile professional wrestling promotion, based in the United Kingdom."

At the time of writing this article, this may have been the case. I would actually disagree now. 1PW is more likely to be the highest profile as they have the exposure on TWC, plus a large amount of roster talent from TNA. Also worth noting there's no proof it's the highest profile in Europe - presently Irish Whip Wrestling/1PW has more. White43 11:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I've now made changes to the page to reflect the current state of FWA. It is no longer broadcast on TWC.White43 11:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

did some clean up on that edit but Yea i think it did need to be rewritten but they are still highest profile English promotion as 1PW is an general considered an international promotion not an English one... if you read many English promters views one that company and general cosencus due to it having TNA and inernational talent with a hand full of actual British competitors to job for them it's not considered a real English promotion. --- Paulley 11:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

There was no need to back out the changes I made, they actually broke up the page a little and made it easier to read. Odd that you've taken out 'English' here, then argued that FWA is the highest profile English promotion. Regardless of whether 1PW is international or not, it's still regionally British/English as it's based there. WWE/TNA are American, 1PW/FWA are British/English.White43 12:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

True.. but it did read funny "English promotion based in the UK"... i think i may take out the UK bit as that only suited the European comment. As for page breaking it isnt needed what-so-ever esspecially as it is all apart of the promotion history and not different aspects i.e. Roster, Titles, etc... --- Paulley

Mate, Saying 'English' in the 'UK' is not an odd thing. They aren't mutually exclusive. The UK is made up of four countries. It could be a Scottish or Welsh promotion. Saying English regionalises it. As FWA is based in England, it's an English promotion in the UK. I concur with the current description of it being an English promotion.

No, its odd because you would say its a "promotion in the United Kindom based in England"... as there no point saying its a English promotion based in the UK because like you said England is obviously in the UK... and if you notice the correct link for English promotion reads [[United Kingdom|English]] --- Paulley... i mean you wouldnt say New York promotion based in the United States... unless there are more New Yorks than i have been informed about.

"Frontier Wrestling Alliance (FWA) is a high profile English professional wrestling promotion." - to anybody who isn't English, this sentence makes it sound as though the FWA is well known within England and English culture as WWE is in America or the likes of AAA and CMLL are in Mexico. If you asked somebody in an English stret who the FWA were they wouldn't have a clue.

I very much doubt everybody in the street knows who WWE are. But if you are into British wrestling you will know who FWA are... in the same way as they would know who Alex Shane is and Doug Williams, or Big Daddy --- Paulley

Tense of article

The promotions is no longer in operation. The tense of the article is wrong throughout and needs a severe edit.

indeed it does.. Have you considered editing it yourself?.. edits like this are alway a good place to start--- Paulley 21:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

FWA:A shows

The paragraph on the FWA Academy contains more errors than facts.

"With the arrival of 2006 came a new image, the FWA developed a new logo and completely redesigned their website. The FWA Academy would also begin presenting their own supercard shows, which were referred to as FWA:A events. Often fueding with rival FWA development territory FWA Manchester, FWA:M also goes by the name Futureshock. However, these training shows only continued for a year with the final shaow, entitled FWA:A Graduation Day, taking place on January 27, 2007 at Buckland Centre, Portsmouth."

The first "supercard" was held in April 2005. Even prior to this, the Academy had been running its own shows for years - the supercards were merely a step up in production values and venue size.

Also, any interaction with FWA Manchester seems to have been overstated considerably here.

Details on the final show - or "shaow" - are correct. This was not a supercard however, as the reader may be led to assume.

Proposal for separate FWA and XWA pages

Although FWA did, in some respects, evolve into XWA, their aims and ethos are quite distinct:

http://www.frontierwrestlingonline.co.uk/backstage_pages/lambert_interview1.htm

I think the FWA is interesting enough to UK wrestling fans to merit its own page. --Maloot (talk) 10:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

XWA is simply the next stage in the life of FWA ... the article was changed from "FWA (professional wrestling)" to "XWA (professional wrestling)" for the same reason the WWF article was changed to WWE... they are the same company no matter what storyline they used to hide their fall from grace and the article should reflect there current status.. having XWA and FWA split away from one article is not going to be helpful to anyone. --- Paulley (talk) 18:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

But it isn't simply 'the next stage in the life of FWA'. As for them being the same 'company', is this based on Companies House records? FWA went out of business, XWA is a new promotion formed from the ashes - the article says so. Paper does not redirect to trees.--Maloot (talk) 13:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

they are the same promotion the FWA website is now XWA's homepage.. they only went out of business in a storyline the actual company simply changed ownership and name... the FWA's history is part of the archieved history of XWA... we dont have a seperate page for the Fratton Wrestling Association/Alliance. Maybe that section of the article should be rewritten to explain the promotions transformation better as that "out of the ashes" comment does seem to be a little kayfabe. --- Paulley (talk) 18:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

As far as that interview goes, it seems like total promotion and a way of answering the fans dissatisfied with them ignoring the Losing Promotion stipulation. FWA changing to XWA is like Eastern Championship Wrestling changing their name to Extreme - it was done partially as a publicity thing, partially as a way to sever ties with the past and the bad promotion of the latter days of FWA. It's the same company, just like WWF>WWE. Tony2Times (talk) 14:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

FWAUK.com

Says that the original FWA is coming back. http://www.fwauk.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.11.179 (talk) 00:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC) Which makes my point about FWA and XWA being separate completely valid, doesn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maloot (talk • contribs) 12:11, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Yup, looks that way. A new article should probably be made then. Tony2Times (talk) 15:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I do understand your point, and yes something now has to be done... but the question is how do you expect to do this without compromising the article and its it history esspecially as the XWA continues to share the FWA's history.. give me a little time and i will see what i can get done. --- Paulley (talk) 16:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Article quality/style - cleanup?

Reading the article through, there are a few issues with it. There are bits of information here and there that should probably have references, one being the saturation of the British wrestling market. It's something that obviously happened when you look with common sense, but that's not really enough for and encyclopedic article. Also, there's a notable departure from the appropriate style in the paragraph regarding the Inter-Federation Cup rivalry with All-Star - the whole paragraph is seemingly in kayfabe, which is simply inappropriate. In fact, the whole 'History' section is kind of shaky - somebody with a keen eye for the important facts needs to fine-comb it and weed out the irrelevancies.

I'd suggest that the 'History' section and/or whole article be marked as requiring cleanup. Anybody else have views on this? Objections welcome, I'm still quite new at this. Opcws (talk) 22:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I think most of the problems come from a recent edit, but yes it needs going over, and some more sourcing would be nice. --- Paulley (talk) 08:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

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