Talk:Fucking Trans Women

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 17:17, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Fucking Trans Women named and popularized muffing, the sexual stimulation of the inguinal canals? Source: "A Guide to Muffing" (Broadly); Trans Sex, p. 93
  • ALT1: ... that Fucking Trans Women challenges sexual discourse's focus "on erect penises, hard penises, penetrating penises"? Source: Trans Sex, p. 77
  • ALT2: ... that Fucking Trans Women associates erectile dysfunction with pleasure? Source: "'I couldn't Imagine My Life Without It'" (Sexuality & Culture) (TWL), p. 965
  • ALT3: ... that Fucking Trans Women, a self-published 'zine, has been cited in Sexuality & Culture as "a comprehensive guide to trans women's sexuality"? Source: Ibid.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KPRP (AM)
  • Comment: Screenshots of Trans Sex ebook available on request by email, IRC, or Discord.

Created by Tamzin (talk). Self-nominated at 04:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC).

• Recently created article, and sourced and interesting hooks. Good to go!--NØ 10:47, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
• Noting that my order of preference for the hooks here is 1, 0, 2, 3. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 01:13, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

birthdate

this post suggests that Mira was born shortly after 23 Mar 1982:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cbdh9JSOJDg/ ZoraSilv (talk) 09:46, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

@ZoraSilv: Thanks so much. I've narrowed the DOB to 1982, with footnote giving a bit more detail. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 09:57, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Sources passed over

These are all sources that I've considered and chosen, for now, not to use, but that are in principle usable:

• Friedman, Jaclyn (2019-06-27). "Why Trans People Don't Always Have Good, Pleasurable Sex—At First". Unscrewed. Refinery29. Retrieved 14 December 2022.
• Merbruja, Luna (19 November 2014). "So You Can Fuck Us; What's Next? Going Beyond Sex With Trans Women". Autostraddle. Retrieved 14 December 2022.
• White, Ro (2022-10-11). "How to Have Great Sex if You Deal With Gender Dysphoria". Vice. Retrieved 14 December 2022.
• Trans Reproductive and Sexual Health: Justice, Embodiment and Agency
• "Getting It On". Living Out Loud.

-- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 21:52, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Almost there; just some copy changes left. 7-day hold to Tamzin. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:05, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Copy changes

Lead

• Emphasizing sex acts possible with flaccid penises or not involving penises at all, it coined the term "muffing" to refer to stimulation of the inguinal canal, and popularized that act. The last comma should be removed; there's no subject there. User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences (CinS)
  •  Fixed -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 22:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Background

• She intended to publish a zine featuring submissions from others, but found the material insufficient, and so chose to make the zine a solo effort and number it "#0" to leave room for a "#1" featuring others' contributions. This has a CinS error best fixed by minor rewording: She intended to publish a zine featuring submissions from others but found the material insufficient, so she chose to make the zine a solo effort and number it "#0" to leave room for a "#1" featuring others' contributions.
  • Fair point, but the proposed new wording's isn't really my writing style, so I went with a semicolon instead. Work for you? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 22:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• In an interview with Kennedy Nadler of Autostraddle in 2013, she wrote that she "wanted to speak to aspects of our sexuality that are almost never given any attention in media whatsoever: those of us who enjoy sex with other women, trans and otherwise, and some of the difficulties (as well as unique pleasures) of trans women having sex with cis women." Since you're quoting only part of the sentence, per MOS:INOROUT, the end should have the quote before period.
  •  Fixed -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 22:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Content

• She rejected attempts to impute a deeper meaning to trans people's genitals, writing, "what I have between my legs is not a metaphor or an analogy but something new and wonderful", and "My body is a woman's body and part of it is my penis, a woman's penis." The last comma after the second quotation is not necessary (CinS)
  •  Fixed -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 22:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Reception and impact

• Muffing in particular has drawn attention in popular-culture sources including Playboy, Broadly, Autostraddle, and The Daily Dot, and This looks like a CinS issue, but it really should be a completed appositive. Add a comma after "including"
  • Again went with a semicolon instead. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 22:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Fielding's Trans Sex describes a 'mystification' process of seeing past the "habitual reality" of one's body, and identifies Remove the comma toward the end (CinS)
  •  Fixed -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 23:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Valens wrote by tweet that Fucking Trans Women had "changed the landscape of trans and queer sexuality" and "saved countless trans people and opened their eyes to what their bodies can do and be", and credited her career to Bellwether. I'd do ", crediting" instead of ", and credited" to fix this CinS issue.
  •  Fixed, also reärranged and simplified refs. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 23:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Sourcing and spot checks

Earwig has no issues other than cited and used quotes as well as some article titles.

Five sources (10%) were chosen at random for spot checks:

• 6: ABOUTSELF tweet used for date/year of birth. Y
• 9: Also ABOUTSELF, this time for how long it took to create the zine. Y
• 20: Bellweather [sic] highlighted connections between dysfunction and pleasure, posing alternative sexual narratives which see trans women undergoing GAHT navigating and thriving in their modified sexuality. Y
• 36: The quote is included in the cited article and comes from the zine. Y
• 49: The quote is included in the cited article and faithfully reproduced. Y

Other items

• The cover art is covered under an NFUR. Add alt text.
  •  Done -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 22:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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Bolding

Actually MOS:BOLDALTNAMES which clarifies MOS:BOLD#OTHER has only two exceptions for bolding alternative names: either synonyms/alternative names of article's subject or articles about events involving a subject about which there is no main article. So, as this article is not about event, bolding the zine's author name appears redundant. We typically do not do this in all other articles about publications where an author is not wikinotable. Brandmeister^talk 09:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Brandmeister: To me it's ambiguous as to whether "only" refers to terms relating to the article's title, or any terms overall. Even if the latter, that'd be a contradiction in guideline (noting that WP:R agrees with BOLD#OTHER), not one clarifying another. Perhaps it would be best to start a discussion at WT:MOS about this inconsistency? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 21:48, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Tamzin: MOS:BOLD#OTHER says "see § Article title terms". Also the examples cited at MOS:BOLDALTNAMES refer to terms related to article's titles. So personally I do not see ambiguity (though my edit summary wasn't entirely accurate, as MOS also allows people's names in non-biographical articles about events). Brandmeister^talk 01:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)