Talk:Fukuzawa Yukichi

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Fukuzawa is *not* in the group photo. That is a different delegation, which went to Washington D.C. on a different ship (not the Kanrin Maru).

How true is that bit about the Korean students getting drunk and stealing from the school. It sounds like Japanese folklore to me...

From Kim Okgyun Discussion

Fukuzawa was later criticized as a supporter of Japanese imperialism because of his essay "Datsu-A Ron" ("Leaving Asia") published in 1885, as well as for his support of the First Sino-Japanese War (1894-1895). Yet, "Datsu-A Ron" was actually a response to a failed attempt by Koreans to organize an effective reform faction, an attempt he had supported. He had invited young Korean aristocrats to his school. Yet, they squandered their time and money on getting drunk and buying prostitutes and after Fukuzawa tightened their allowance, they attempted a failed robbery of a school safe. The essay was published as a withdrawal of his support. Nevertheless the assistance provided to radical Koreans during this era was never intended to lead to complete independence for the peninsula, but on the contrary sought to bring Korea under ever greater Japanese influence. This was amply demonstrated by the power-plays undertaken in Korea by both Koreans supported by Fukuzawa and the Imperial Japanese Army during the First Sino-Japanese War.

Somebody who's knowledgeable about this person please fix the paragraph for following reasons.

• Texts in the biography of Kim Okgyun indicate that not all Koreans got drunk & did xxx. The sentence above constructs all Koreans as lazy people. And the sentence is written in wrong grammar.

• The "failed attempt" should be something else because the attempt was still going on & the most probable reason for its small net progress was financial.

• Before the "Nevertheless" sentence, there should be a description on the Gaehwa-pa movement first. The "intention" is somewhat out of the blue.

• Maybe the claim should be broader and more specific examples should be provided at the end of the paragraph b/c the "power play" occurred even before the Japanese annexation. (Wikimachine 04:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC))

The only verified information about Datsu-A Ron shows it as an article that is just about feeling that Japan should break away from Asian civilization and that China and Korea will be dominated by foreign powers because of their failure to Westernize. It does not say that this is a good thing, actual it hints that this is a bad thing, and where is the evidence that he said that Japan should be the power that should dominate China or Korea. I'd like some evidence that he directly supported colonization because right now the article says that with only very indirect evidence.

In the Criticism section, the material we have now about Fukuzawa's relation to Asia is either unsourced (first paragraph), or based on a minor book (second paragraph). The book is a mass-market paperback by a Fukuzawa scholar. I rewrote the paragraph to clarify his argument -- that discriminatory statements attributed to Fukuzawa were really by someone else -- but really it's just a footnote to history and could be summarized in one sentence.
I'm not a Fukuzawa expert, but there must be dozens of good articles about this. Looks like this still needs a lot of work. -- Margin1522 (talk) 07:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Project Assessment

Though this is a lengthy, detailed, and professional-sounding article, highly informative and interesting, with plenty of pictures, I am positive there is much more than can be said on such an important figure. がんばってください。LordAmeth 02:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Category

Appletrees is trying to add two categories, Category:Racism and Category:Anti-Korean sentiment in Japan. Fukuzawa criticized China and Korea in Datsua-ron, because these countries did not receive Western manners as Japan did. This is not a racism, nor Anti-Korea sentiment. It's just a critic. I strongly oppose adding such categories on this article.--Mochi 13:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Potential Edits

As part of a class project, I am planning on adding to this article. Specifically, I might expand the early life/biography section, possibly including mentions of his family. I might also include more about his views i.e. on women's rights and gender equality. My primary source will be Fukuzawa Yukichi: From Samurai to Capitalist by Helen Hopper. Does anyone have any suggestions about what else I might change, or what other sources I might use? ShepardCommanderN7 (talk) 02:30, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Voices of the Past YouTube Videos

The Voices of the Past YouTube channel has published videos with dramatic readings related to Fukuzawa Yukichi. One is about his visit to the United States in 1860, and another is about his visit to Europe in 1862. Squideshi (talk) 21:16, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Would the article offer more balance by including critiques of Fukuzawa's ideas? ~~~~ NLBHvn (talk) 05:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)