Talk:Fulke Greville, 1st Baron Brooke

Greville as Shakespeare?

Much of the body of the article on Greville had been replaced with an article that was original research, and which seems to have been was written to promote the interesting but very non-mainstream idea that Greville was the author of Shakespeare's plays. I replaced this prose with material from the 1911 Brittanica, with the 1911 prose modernized, somewhat trimmed, and more clearly arranged. The Greville as Shakespeare biography is still accessible from this page, via the external link to http://www.masterofshakespeare.com/ which remains at the bottom of the page. ThaddeusFrye 21:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

A 1990 University of California at Los Angeles study statistically compared the scripts of Shakespeare to contemporary Elizabethan writers and Greville was the only one it could not rule out as a possible author.

Removed due to lack of primary source confirmation. Possibly relates to preliminary results from a study (from another school) that were later disproved. Artaxerxes (talk) 20:13, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

References

Aeropagus A Literary Myth

I've been taught that the idea of a 16th-century quantitative-verse Aeropagus was largely a Victorian fiction, built up out of the reference to the (Roman) Aeropagus in, I believe, the "Familiar Letters." Does anyone else know more? (If not, I'll come back and set up an account to make the change.) 140.180.2.186 (talk) 13:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Gay?

There is a fairly widespread body of opinion to the effect that Greville was not only gay, but a gay writer, in the sense that his sensibility and style was informed by his sexuality. ODNB denies this, but in so doing acknowledges the significance of the idea. Certainly some of Sidney's circle were quite openly and explicitly gay, e.g. Hubert Languet, as stressed both by gay scholars like Rictor Norton and Sidney's editor and biographer Katherine Duncan-Jones. Greville was unmarried (very unusual in his social position at the time) and was murdered by a male servant whose expectations of him seem to have been frustrated. There is no suggestion of homosexuality at all in the article: not even to dismiss it. Whether Greville was or was not homosexual is less important than to acknowledge the issue as important. Not to do so is not to remain neutral but to conspire in an act of pre-emptive censorship. Sjwells53 (talk) 18:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I would doubt there was a sexual motive in his manservant's attack: it seems more likely financial. The known details (see also mention of the murder in the article on Warwick Castle) are that he stabbed Greville after being told he had been omitted from mention as a beneficiary of Greville's will. The manservant, Ralph Haywood, was described as a "gentleman", ie what may have been member of a landowning family that had become impoverished, and who was likely to be expecting to be well provided for after his master's death. As Haywood committed suicide before he could be questioned, we shall perhaps never know the real answer.Cloptonson (talk) 20:15, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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