Talk:Full-rigged ship

Merge from history of Full Rigged Ships

see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of Full Rigged Ships --victor falk 13:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

As has been mentioned by several people in the AfD debate, the history of Full Rigged Ships article uses the term "full rigged ship" incorrectly-- it is not a catch-all term for tall ships, but a specific type of rig with its own specific history. There is very, very little in that article which pertains to full rigged ships, and merging it into this perfectly good article would turn it into inaccurate gibberish. It really needs to be dissected by someone knowledgeable on the topic, who can salvage individual sections of the article and merge them into the appropriate pages-- which would probably be Schooner and Age of Sail, not Full rigged ship. Fullobeans (talk) 14:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Seven-masted ship

Fore, main, mizzen, jigger, then kicker, spanker and pusher. Okay, there weren't a lot of 7-masted ships! Suggest the section on masts be merged with Mast (sailing). Student7 (talk) 20:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd disagree; and, according to the article as it stands (not that Wikipedia is a reliable source or anything), five is the greatest number of masts ever found on a full-rigged ship. I think the section on masts could be streamlined a little bit, but there's no reason not to have that information on this page, especially since it appears that masts were given different names on different types of vessel. The mast section definitely takes up a disproportionate amount of the article, but that's because the article needs to be expanded, not because the mast information is extraneous. I'll tweak the section a little bit now. --Fullobeans (talk) 04:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's the Thomas W. Lawson (ship) or course. An editor there didn't like what I said on some other principle or another. Oh, well. He didn't think a schooner was a ship. (Did it sail itself?). Ah well. Student7 (talk) 12:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Technically, a schooner is not a ship. A ship has at least 3 masts and carries square sails on all masts. There always was a double meaning, even in naval parlance, and the more general meaning (a ship is a large boat, and ignore the rig) has taken over in most contexts. But this article in particular deals with fullriggers, i.e. ships in the classical technical sense (square rig on all masts). A schooner does not qualify. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

For further information, see... this article. --Fullobeans (talk) 20:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

When four-masted ships were built, it became clear that when the number of masts exceeds three a ship becomes somewhat unmanageable, and a bark is more practical. The five-masted Preussen (launched 1902) was built simply as a matter of national pride, to score off the French five-masted bark France (still red-linked, alas). I don't think another five-masted ship was built until the Royal Clipper, launched 2000, which is probably sufficiently motorized that they don't have to worry. Trouble is, I have no idea where I learned this. J S Ayer (talk) 02:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Not just square-rigged

"The fifteenth century had seen the development of the full-rigged ship, three-masters which combined the Atlantic and northern square sail with the triangular lateen sail of the Mediterranean." (Glete 2000, 26) - Glete (2000): warfare at sea. --Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 22:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done HopsonRoad (talk) 22:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Is not done, stay: "A full-rigged ship or fully rigged ship is a sailing vessel's sail plan with three or more masts, all of them square-rigged."--Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 00:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Felipe da Fonseca, I'm not sure what you suggest should be different. The lead sentence text you quote is properly paraphrased from the source, cited. Glete is describing carracks, not full-rigged ships, as defined by all the sources, here. See, also, The development of the square-rigged ship from the carrack to the full-rigger. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 00:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm saying that the full-rigged ship used two different forms of sails. See too: Note sull'origine della nave a tre alberi by Bellabarba. --Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 13:25, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I understand now what is being stated, it seems to be correct really, although I am not sure. Thanks. --Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 13:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)