Talk:Full breakfast/Archive 2

This is an archive of the former Ulster Fry article, merged on 2008-03-01.

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someone has really got to take a proper photo of this... with all the ingredients. the english breakfast photo is the typical thing a hotel would give a tourist, not what your ma would make on sunday. - 82.41.24.222 18:42, 28 October 2005

I'm planning to get a picture of a "Gowdy Special" next time I'm out. The cafe in question has three sizes: small, large, and Gowdy. You can imagine. ;-) --Grey Knight ⊖ 22:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Just an Ulster thing?

Surely this isn't just an Ulster thing...In fact I've never heard the term 'Ulster Fry' in my life. You can get a fry for lunch or dinner at most cafes in the British Isles - 192.198.151.129 12:14, 25 January 2006

If you haven't tried an Ulster Fry, you haven't lived, although you are likely to live longer than those of us who have. It's different from both an English Breakfast and Irish Breakfast. The main difference is the amount of Fried Bread expected along with it, and the Potato Bread and Soda Farls. An English or Irish Breakfast usually only include toast. - TheKeith 12:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

It is an Ulster thing. An Ulster fry doesn't include standard fried bread as is often included in the English fry up, but does include, and these are the two most important ingredients, soda bread and potato bread, both items which until very recently were unavailable in the UK outside of Northern Ireland. Ben W Bell 14:16, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Soda bread has been available in England for donkey's years, and I can't remember the last time fried bread was offered in a 'English' fry-up. I agree about potato bread, outside a few shops it has only recently (past 5 years) been on sale in supermakets etc.Markb 10:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

DEFINITELY an Ulster thing, and probably a way of life here too. I seem to recall Norn Iron having the highest instance of heart disease in the world, all because of this wonderful dish. Ah well. - 11:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Its an Ulster Fry, not a "fryup". Hence the name. Just because you've not heard of something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist!

GAVIN, I don't think the high rate of heart disease is solely attributible to the great Ulster Fry! A lot to do with a combination of things: lifestyle, stress, exercise, other dietry habits and genetics etc. Interestingly, Scotland used to be quite close to Northern Ireland in rates of heart disease. Thankfully, both regions have smartened up a bit. The Ulster Fry itself has often become an Ulster Grill for all intents and purposes: people will grill some or all of the ingredients instead of shallow frying them. --Mal 12:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Err...OK. Is this about the Fry or how fat we are? I've lost track. - 15:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC) GAVIN FINLAY ^{ULSTER TALK}

Having said that, it is colloquially known as a "heart attack on a plate" for a reason. :-) --Grey Knight ⊖ 22:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It certainly is no different to a full Scottish breakfast, other than black pudding seemingly not being on offer. --MacRusgail 18:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Black/White Pudding in Ulster Fry?

I've never heard tell of either being included in an Ulster Fry, but then I have lived most of my life in the east and the north of Ulster. Perhaps this is something that's common in some of the other counties. I would still contest, even then though, that if you add black or white pudding to the ingredients, it ceases to become an Ulster Fry and instead becomes an Irish breakfast or whatever. I am adding a citation tag to the relevant sentence because I've never heard of this, nor have family members or friends (in fact, I had never heard of white pudding until several years ago, but I have known what an Ulster Fry is all my life). --Mal 13:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Black pudding at least is a very common addition to an Ulster Fry at least in the cafes in and around Belfast and North Down. Most places I go when I go back home for the large Ulsters I have to specifically ask for no black pudding as I can't stand it. What distinguishes the Ulster Fry from the Irish Breakfast isn't the puddings, it's the bread usage (soda and potato). Anyway it's hard to find internet citations for what appears on pub and cafe menu boards but here are some online examples that include them in an Ulster Fry. I'll grant you, the usages of white pudding is not very common, but it is occassionally available.

• http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1102517
• http://www.mrbreakfast.com/glossary_term.asp?glossaryID=136
• http://www.britishcouncil.org/languageassistant-northern-ireland.htm
• http://www.emeraldtiger.com/general/food.htm
• http://www.mrandmrssmith.com/luxury-hotels/united-kingdom-hotels/belfast-hotels/
• http://shinann.tripod.com/recipes.htm
• http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukicui01.htm
• http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g186470-s501/Belfast:United-Kingdom:Dining.Overview.html

And many others. Even Paul Rankin's Ulster Fry recipe includes optional puddings. I must say I'm very surprised that a Northern Irishman hasn't come across it, throughout the time I lived there I couldn't get away from it but as I say I mainly frequented Belfast and North Down. Ben W Bell talk 14:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm.. I've lived in Northern Ireland for all of my 36 years, barring a few weeks or months here and there in other countries. Most of my time has been spent in Belfast, Bangor, Donaghadee, Carrickfergus, Portstewart, Coleraine, Portrush and a few other towns besides. I can't recall ever having seen black pudding (or white pudding) on any of the menus of cafés or pubs or restaurants in any of those places, and I often order the fry. You do have me curious though! I'm currently living back in Belfast, and I'm going to purposely go around cafés in town to see if I can see any mention of these strange additions! Honestly - its alien to me! If I find even one instance of either 'pudding' mentioned in any café, I'll remove my citation tag with pleasure. (I don't particularly like either pudding myself btw). Sorry to be a nuisance about this, but I genuinely have never heard tell of it before. --Mal 14:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I've lived in Belfast my whole life, and Black/White pudding is essential. In my house we always have veggie roll as well with our Fry. Tiocfaidh Ár Lá! 18:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Gazh 09:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)== Merge (not of this article) ==

I made a merge of the Irish breakfast and the Full English breakfast pages at Full breakfast. Is it okay to blank the Full English breakfast and Irish breakfast pages and redirect them (and Scottish breakfast and Welsh breakfast) there? I included references to Ulster fry in the merged article but as discussed that page will not be merged. --sony-youth^talk 21:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any reason why Ulster Fry should not redirect to Full breakfast. -- Evertype·✆ 18:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I do - and the reasons are discussed earlier above on this article's discussion page. Succinctly, it's not just a breakfast meal...Gaimhreadhan ^{(kiwiexile at DMOZ)} talk • 08:56, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Neither is the English breakfast, it is eaten at any hour for any meal - infact i have eaten many English breakfasts but i could never stomach somethng that big for breakfast, so they are almost always for a quick dinner or occasionally a nice supper. Gazh 09:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Questionable Grammar

What's the deal with this sentence's grammar? A is not just B, but it may well be served for B, and it is often served for D and C in locations regardless of A or B.

"The Ulster fry is not just a breakfast dish, although it may well be served for breakfast, and it is often served up for lunch and dinner in households and cafés around the province."

Revision: "The Ulster Fry is not considered solely a breakfast dish as it is often served for lunch and dinner in households and cafés around the province."

That's what I'm changing it to. Change it again if you desire but grammatically my revision makes much more sense.

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 16:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to merge with Full Breakfast

At Full breakfast it states clearly:

• Depending on where it is served, it is called bacon and eggs; a fry, fry up, full English breakfast, full Irish breakfast, full Scottish breakfast, full Welsh breakfast or an Ulster fry.

I don't think there's anything so amazingly different about the Ulster fry that the contents of this short page could not be merged into a new section in the main article. (Likewise, I do not think we should add separate articles for full English breakfast, full Irish breakfast, full Scottish breakfast, full Welsh breakfast etc. (In fact the first two of those redirect to Full breakfast already! Bacon and eggs should also be merged. Someone suggested that the Ulster Fry is different from those because it may be eaten at times other than breakfast time, but that's nothing special: Restaurants that serve "Breakfast All Day" are common everywhere. -- Evertype·✆ 10:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposals should be put forward for discussion, not just put forward and then moved minutes later without discussion.

I personally disagree with this move but want to discuss it. I'll make the discussion on the Full breakfast talk page where it's more likely to be seen though. Canterbury Tail talk 13:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)