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Episode articles
I found a few article pages for the episodes at [1] that we could use and i'm wonderng if it would be copying if it's a wiki page and they are both from the same companyNoD'ohnuts (talk) 17:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)NoD'ohnuts
- We can't use an open wiki's as a source, if that's what you mean. Xeworlebi (t•c) 17:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
- I think he was talking about 'copying' the content. And for some reason he assumes that the wiki he links to is under the same company as this one. Eh. --Svippong 21:10, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't meet copy exactly I mean look at infomation and like make it into our own words.NoD'ohnuts (talk) 00:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)NoD'ohnuts
Inspector #5 (...?)
MSN TV has recently listed episodes through #7 (missed "Rebirth" somehow), but seems to include an unaccountable episode called "Lethal Inspection". Given that it's the only episode not currently on the table or the unaired episodes list, I'm left wondering if it's a new title for "Inspector #5". I've looked around the web, but couldn't find any confirmation of this. If anyone else can before the air date (July 22, 2010), it'd probably help, so we don't leave the old title on the unaired list when the new title airs (should this be the case). KnownAlias contact 20:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Sixth season produced is seventh season broadcast
Comedy Central uses the production order/DVD order for numbering the season, making this season six. The broadcast order, is not a broadcast code, it just shows the order in which the episodes were broadcasted and as which season they were broadcasted. Because Fox aired the show even more out of sync than they do to other shows, Futurama was broadcasted as five seasons instead of the four in which they were produced. With four produced seasons, and five broadcasted seasons, and a fifth produced season as DVD-movies or sixth broadcasted season. This makes the six produced season the seventh broadcasted season. Comedy Central uses the DVD/produced order for counting there seasons, but because fox aired it in five instead of four, this makes that there is one season more broadcasted than produced. Xeworlebi (t•c) 21:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Comedy Central officially calls this broadcast Season 6. They've never used the number seven for any broadcast of episodes in this production series. The fact they previously named the movie season "Season 6" shows that they absolutely do not name by production order. Production season 5 was never even aired as a continuous series, but rather as occasional specials several months apart, which is the most likely reason they've gone ahead and redubbed it "Season 0" (which would indicate that they are specials that do not belong in any particular broadcast season). Now can we please stop the edit war, seeing as WP:3RR has been violated already? --.:Alex:. 21:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- see my view above, and these are not codes, they are logic increasing numbers. They should be simple numbers, but because there are overlapping seasons that would be a loss of information. Xeworlebi (t•c) 21:41, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- Production Season 5 was never aired as a proper season. Seasons are not aired four episode severals months and even years apart. And yes they are codes which are used by the broadcasters to indicate their own desired broadcast order. These episodes are not S07 in anyway. They are S06, even if they must overlap. --.:Alex:. 21:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- The DVD movies have been identified as a season by including Comedy Central, which makes it the fifth produced season, and the sixth broadcasted. Also indicated by production codes. Fox has aired seasons years apart, and even half seasons months from the second half. "Normally" (should be) the broadcast order is the same as the produced/intended order, in this case Fox messed up in a big way, creating one broadcasted season more than intended and produced. Broadcasters own desired broadcast order is shown by the air date, and here, only and only because Fox did some really weird stuff, by the numbers to make it clearer to the viewer. You can't have two episodes, different episodes that have the same broadcast order, because that would make them have broadcasted at the same time, making them the same episode. Xeworlebi (t•c) 21:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- The fact we're using a code format is implicitly indicative that we're going by some official source. Otherwise, we'd be using "Season 7, Episode 1" or whatever. Evidently Comedy Central no longer considers the movies as part of any of particular broadcasting season, but out-of-order specials. They still use the same broadcasting order and codes for all of the old episodes, and they own the rights to syndication. These articles need to reflect this. Season 6 episodes may technically be the seventh actual season to be broadcast, but in terms of offical seasons in which episodes happen to be broadcast, this is Season 6. Rebirth is officially 601. It's misleading to say 701, when there's going to be episode that in broadcast terms is referred to as 701. As I said, CC no longer considers the production season 5 episodes as part of any contiguous season, but random specials. --.:Alex:. 22:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- They called it as seasons, and you say they now call it season 0, which is still a season, the production codes also reflect it as a season of 16 episodes, unlike 4 movies were each four parts would have the same production code. The reason why we go with "S07E01" and not "Season 7, Episode 1" is because it takes way to much place and can be displayed just as effectively in short form. It's in a column named Broadcast order, and the same non-confusion is with previous seasons were the episode/production order S03E03 is "A Tale of Two Santas", but the broadcast order S03E03 is "The Cryonic Woman", just like when seasons are aired differently then they were intended and in turn differently than they were produced, were episode five can be interpreted as three different episodes depending by what ordering you go. Xeworlebi (t•c) 22:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- Comedy Central can do whatever they want for their own records, but that doesn't rewrite history. Fox broadcast four seasons as five, and that's just what is. The only debate is whether Wiki counts the DVD movies as a season or not, and that consensus has already been reached. KnownAlias contact 22:29, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- What consensus? This change was only made apparent two days ago. Yes, there were five broadcast seasons. This is still preserved. There is no history of PS6 being referred to as BS7. Sure, they may have considered the movies a season then, but evidently not now. As the movies were pretty much down to them, it's their call. This change notable, and needs to be reflected in the articles. It's a bit ridiculous to omit it entirely if that's what they plan to permanently refer to it as from this point foward. Hence why I made a point to specifically mention the actual change, rather than simply "rewrite history" as you so put it. --.:Alex:. 22:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- No one has disputed it's being a season since it's inclusion as late as August 2009, when the season ended. There isn't even a comment of any kind on the season 5 talk page. You're the first. KnownAlias contact 22:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- No new season existed when this was done! As I said, this is a recent change, and now I'm here to dispute it being a broadcast season, seeing as Comedy Central no longer see it that way and it was never broadcast as a traditional season in the first place. --.:Alex:. 22:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- But as you stated, this is a recent change by Comedy Central. Not by Fox, who originally broadcast it, and not to historical record. This isn't the Roman Empire; history isn't written by the winner. Why should a change in record keeping at one network dictate how we keep our records, especially since the information you defend is still being represented by the fact that the article title is still called Season 6? KnownAlias contact 23:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- No new season existed when this was done! As I said, this is a recent change, and now I'm here to dispute it being a broadcast season, seeing as Comedy Central no longer see it that way and it was never broadcast as a traditional season in the first place. --.:Alex:. 22:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- Two days ago? Futurama (season 5) was created December 10, 2009, which named the DVD movies season five. The episode list here has used broadcast season seven since it was created that same day (December 10, 2009). List of Futurama episodes by broadcast order also named this season as season seven and the DVD's as season six until you now changed that. This season has always seen as the seventh broadcasted season and the DVD-movies as the sixth. Season five has been the DVD-movies since they were added. Xeworlebi (t•c) 23:08, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- If Comedy Central would name this season season 1, in accordance with season 0 for the movies or a possible reboot starting from 1, it would still be the seventh season that was broadcasted. Xeworlebi (t•c) 23:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- You are both completely missing the point. I'm not disputing the original five broadcast seasons. Production Seasons 5 and 6 are Comedy Central. Fox never, ever broadcast them, and don't own the rights to broadcast them. What history? The records for Season 6 are currently being written. The current information here was made on assumptions, and previous misleading and altered information. This change of the movies going from broadcast season 6 to season 0 was made (or at least made apparent) two days ago when the new episodes premiered. Before two days ago Comedy Central didn't call it Season 0, hence why I am indeed the first to dispute this. Yes, the original four production seasons were broadcast as five. I'm not disputing that in any way whatsoever. Comedy Central say that that production Season 6 is officially being broadcast as a sixth season. Comedy Central may have previously promoted the movies as a "new season", but now they are saying "HERP DERP those movies were never a real season, just out-of-season specials. The new episodes being aired this year form the sixth proper broadcasted season". I simply cannot understand why this is apparently so hard to understand. --.:Alex:. 23:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- No one has disputed it's being a season since it's inclusion as late as August 2009, when the season ended. There isn't even a comment of any kind on the season 5 talk page. You're the first. KnownAlias contact 22:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- What consensus? This change was only made apparent two days ago. Yes, there were five broadcast seasons. This is still preserved. There is no history of PS6 being referred to as BS7. Sure, they may have considered the movies a season then, but evidently not now. As the movies were pretty much down to them, it's their call. This change notable, and needs to be reflected in the articles. It's a bit ridiculous to omit it entirely if that's what they plan to permanently refer to it as from this point foward. Hence why I made a point to specifically mention the actual change, rather than simply "rewrite history" as you so put it. --.:Alex:. 22:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- Comedy Central can do whatever they want for their own records, but that doesn't rewrite history. Fox broadcast four seasons as five, and that's just what is. The only debate is whether Wiki counts the DVD movies as a season or not, and that consensus has already been reached. KnownAlias contact 22:29, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- They called it as seasons, and you say they now call it season 0, which is still a season, the production codes also reflect it as a season of 16 episodes, unlike 4 movies were each four parts would have the same production code. The reason why we go with "S07E01" and not "Season 7, Episode 1" is because it takes way to much place and can be displayed just as effectively in short form. It's in a column named Broadcast order, and the same non-confusion is with previous seasons were the episode/production order S03E03 is "A Tale of Two Santas", but the broadcast order S03E03 is "The Cryonic Woman", just like when seasons are aired differently then they were intended and in turn differently than they were produced, were episode five can be interpreted as three different episodes depending by what ordering you go. Xeworlebi (t•c) 22:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- The fact we're using a code format is implicitly indicative that we're going by some official source. Otherwise, we'd be using "Season 7, Episode 1" or whatever. Evidently Comedy Central no longer considers the movies as part of any of particular broadcasting season, but out-of-order specials. They still use the same broadcasting order and codes for all of the old episodes, and they own the rights to syndication. These articles need to reflect this. Season 6 episodes may technically be the seventh actual season to be broadcast, but in terms of offical seasons in which episodes happen to be broadcast, this is Season 6. Rebirth is officially 601. It's misleading to say 701, when there's going to be episode that in broadcast terms is referred to as 701. As I said, CC no longer considers the production season 5 episodes as part of any contiguous season, but random specials. --.:Alex:. 22:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- The DVD movies have been identified as a season by including Comedy Central, which makes it the fifth produced season, and the sixth broadcasted. Also indicated by production codes. Fox has aired seasons years apart, and even half seasons months from the second half. "Normally" (should be) the broadcast order is the same as the produced/intended order, in this case Fox messed up in a big way, creating one broadcasted season more than intended and produced. Broadcasters own desired broadcast order is shown by the air date, and here, only and only because Fox did some really weird stuff, by the numbers to make it clearer to the viewer. You can't have two episodes, different episodes that have the same broadcast order, because that would make them have broadcasted at the same time, making them the same episode. Xeworlebi (t•c) 21:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- Production Season 5 was never aired as a proper season. Seasons are not aired four episode severals months and even years apart. And yes they are codes which are used by the broadcasters to indicate their own desired broadcast order. These episodes are not S07 in anyway. They are S06, even if they must overlap. --.:Alex:. 21:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
(←) No they are not, Comedy Central naming it season 0 doesn't all of a sudden not make it a season. Comedy Central can call this new season what they want. Your version creates a paradox were two episodes have the same broadcast order, which is simple impossible. The broadcast order has nothing to do with the production order, or by what naming Comedy Central goes by and changes on a whim. After five comes six, and after six comes seven. You seem to agree that the DVD-movies are a season because otherwise you would have deleted that page and moved this to Futurama (season 5), a season can be aired out of sync, and shifted around but it can't be part of a season and not part of a season at the same time. It was broadcasted as a new season, fact, history, because the broadcast order is a simple numbering, to make it clearer for viewers, it goes up, not down, and you can't have two episodes with the same number. This also goes for the new broadcast order were you started from zero on Futurama (season 5). the broadcast order is a simple ordering which goes up sequentially, for a new episode it goes up 1 after the E, if a new season starts it goes up one after the S, Comedy Central names this season six, like we do, but because of math and +1 logic, this is the seventh season that has aired if Comedy Central names it that way or not. Xeworlebi (t•c) 06:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- This is not my version. This is Comedy Central's version. Yes, the movies were produced as a season, but CC are saying that they were not broadcast as a season, but rather, a bunch of specials in between the fifth broadcast season and sixth broadcast season. You seem be confusing my motives here. The season articles go by production order. I do not have any issue with this. I'm merely changing the broadcast order field, and article. Comedy Central says that production Season 6 (this page) is broadcast Season 6, and that production Season 5 isn't part of any broadcasted season. Hell, copies of the "Rebirth" episode they gave out to reviewers said "S06E01". It's just plain wrong for Wikipedia to completely ignore this, and it's just plain wrong to say "S07E01" when no one else is calling it this. --.:Alex:. 08:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- No they don't, they call it season six because it is season six. Why would Comedy Central distinguish between production and broadcast season, they can call it what they want, they could call it season 1 but it would not all of a sudden become the first broadcasted season, there are six seasons before that. Same for season 5, it is the sixth season that was broadcasted, just because Comedy Central calls it season 0 doesn't change that it broadcasted after the fifth making it sixth.
- I think you get the meaning of the column wrong, the broadcast order is just that, an order of ever increasing by one numbers going up per season that is broadcasted, not under what name they were broadcasted, just like no-one named the first episode of this season episode 89, it just is the 89th episode of the show. We could just remove the entire column, the information is portrayed in the "Original air date" column, and the season-season difference is available on List of Futurama episodes by broadcast order. Only for landmark episodes are the overall episode numbers mentioned like the 100th episode. On that note, if the movies are specials, how come they count in the episode order, and add 16 episodes to the show, making "The Mutants Are Revolting" episode 100 and not episode 84? Because out of season specials don't count in episode numbering, since they are specials and not part of the seasons which make up the main show.
- Comedy Central can call the season how they want, it doesn't change or influence the broadcast order because they are just that, an ordering, increasing numbers that go one up if a new season/episode starts. Xeworlebi (t•c) 12:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- They own the rights to syndication. In syndication, they still follow broadcast seasons and not the production seasons. In syndication, production Season 5 is known as Season 0. This is notable. There is absolutely no reason why this information cannot be present on Wikipedia. Comedy Central still categorise the four original production seasons as the five Fox broadcast seasons. The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings is still episode 516, in broadcast terms. So, no. They aren't calling this season Season 6 because it's production Season 6. They're calling it Season 6 because they don't consider the movies to be part of any broadcasted season, and the season that is currently being broadcasted is following on from the last properly broadcasted season (5). It's pretty obvious that the production Season 6 episodes shown next year will be "Season 7". The reason Mutants is #100 is because it is the 100th episode produced and broadcasted. I'm not disputing the number of episodes broadcasted. I'm disputing the seasons. As I've said many times, Comedy Central now see the movies as specials that were aired in between seasons (much like the upcoming holiday episode will be). This pushes up the total episode numbering, but not the season numbering. This change is important, because it influences syndication. Would the holiday episode not count in the total number of episodes because it's not part of any broadcast season? Of course it would count. --.:Alex:. 13:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- Now you're missing the point; he said that episode 100 would be episode 88 if we counted the movies as movies and not episodes. Then they would be specials and not part of a broadcast season. But they are counted as episodes, and as such, can be counted as a broadcast season. Even Comedy Central acknowledges this by considering the 100th episode #100. You also undermine your own argument by suggesting that broadcast season 6 is Season 0, and broadcast season 7 is Season 6 according to Comedy Central, so it should be according to us. What better reason to stick to the logical, chronological ordering? You're also missing the point that this is an argument about broadcast season seven, which is still, as an article, called Season 6 because the first four seasons of this show, unlike ANY other show page, is going by DVD packaging rather than broadcast season.. And my personal belief about the holiday episode is that it will, in fact, be counted as the last episode of Season 6 (broadcast Season 7), but will be held back from the other 12 because of it's holiday connotations, making for an even 13/13 split. KnownAlias contact 14:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- They own the rights to syndication. In syndication, they still follow broadcast seasons and not the production seasons. In syndication, production Season 5 is known as Season 0. This is notable. There is absolutely no reason why this information cannot be present on Wikipedia. Comedy Central still categorise the four original production seasons as the five Fox broadcast seasons. The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings is still episode 516, in broadcast terms. So, no. They aren't calling this season Season 6 because it's production Season 6. They're calling it Season 6 because they don't consider the movies to be part of any broadcasted season, and the season that is currently being broadcasted is following on from the last properly broadcasted season (5). It's pretty obvious that the production Season 6 episodes shown next year will be "Season 7". The reason Mutants is #100 is because it is the 100th episode produced and broadcasted. I'm not disputing the number of episodes broadcasted. I'm disputing the seasons. As I've said many times, Comedy Central now see the movies as specials that were aired in between seasons (much like the upcoming holiday episode will be). This pushes up the total episode numbering, but not the season numbering. This change is important, because it influences syndication. Would the holiday episode not count in the total number of episodes because it's not part of any broadcast season? Of course it would count. --.:Alex:. 13:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- You say the DVD movies are not a season but specials, but you see it as a season by calling it both season 5, season 6 and season 0. You call it both a season and not a season at the same time, which one is it, a season or out-of-season-specials? It can't be both.
- In contrast, the actual special "Everybody Loves Hypnotoad: "Amazon Adventure"" is not counted as an actual episode and does not add to the episode count.
- The broadcast order is an order, not a code, it doesn't go by under what name they were broadcasted, the first season was broadcasted, then a second one, a third, a fourth, a fifth, a sixth and now a seventh. If Comedy Central would call the new season, season 1, the broadcast order would still make it the seventh broadcasted season. Or would you change the broadcast order to S01E01–S01E12? If you would choose the latter then you have misunderstood the entire column.
- Consensus currently, which is the one from the start, is that the DVD movies are a season, it was announced as a season, it was aired as a season, the production codes are equal to the other episodes differentiating it as a separate season, it is a season. Xeworlebi (t•c) 15:24, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- Hypnotoad was never broadcasted, so it's utterly irrelevent to this discussion. "Consensus from the start" is also irrelevent and invalid given that no change was made until very recently and there was nothing at the time to suggest otherwise. Like I said, I'm not debating the movies as a production season. It is production Season 5. This is production Season 6. That is not the point, so stop bringing it up. "Season 0" is a designation being used by Comedy Central for the production Season 5 episodes being aired as some kind of special episodes and not part of any proper season. According to Comedy Central now, it was produced as a Season, but not broadcasted as a season. As the broadcasting of Futurama is under their control, and they were the ones that broadcasted these episodes in the first place, it's entirely their call. If we are simply mentioning the broadcast order, then why are we using a code format like the broadcasters use? I simply want to add the changed broadcast season numbers which are being used by Comedy Central in every single rerun of the production Season 5 episodes. Because as far as they are concerned, those episodes are S00E## and the new episodes are S06E##, and there is no mention of them being Season 7 anywhere. Sure, they may have promoted those episodes as a season at the time, but now they're saying "Oh hey, it was never really a broadcasted season. Just a bunch of specials we aired." I am completely justified in adding this. --.:Alex:. 16:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- "it was produced as a Season, but not broadcasted as a season" that is utter gibberish, they announced a new season and they aired 16 episode, 4 4-parters, released as 4 DVD movies, they have called it season 6 until now, them now renaming it to season 0 does not negate that it was aired by them under the name season 6 and thus as a season. You already asked why we are using a code format and I already told you why: "The reason why we go with "S07E01" and not "Season 7, Episode 1" is because it takes way to much place and can be displayed just as effectively in short form." Season 5 aired after season 4, therefor having it in an order before season 1 is utter nonsense and impossible. 5+1=6≠0, Comedy Central calling it Season (they still call it a season by the way) 0 is irrelevant here. If I have seven kids, and I name the seventh one "Six" that he/she is still the seventh kid, despite me calling him/her "Six", and if I call the sixth kid "Zero", then he/she is still born after one through five, he/she doesn't get magically ordered to the front of the line. Xeworlebi (t•c) 17:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- What the zero probably does is put the episode in a list of specials, it stays between 5 and 6, but is neither. Much like they do on the Doctor Who list. The zero is merely a place-keeper, not an indication of the season number or order. - Quolnok (talk) 07:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Surely we should list seasons as they were originally broadcast with notes regarding any changes made later on. So broadcast season '0' as it's currently listed should be reverted to being broadcast season 6, but with the notes about the change in broadcast code left intact. As already said, the broadcast order list, doesn't refer to broadcast codes. It refers to the broadcast order. The renaming of the season was most likely to allow for the current season to also be referred to as season 6 which was helpful for promotional reasons.Omega cyber turnip (talk) 01:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
- What the zero probably does is put the episode in a list of specials, it stays between 5 and 6, but is neither. Much like they do on the Doctor Who list. The zero is merely a place-keeper, not an indication of the season number or order. - Quolnok (talk) 07:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- "it was produced as a Season, but not broadcasted as a season" that is utter gibberish, they announced a new season and they aired 16 episode, 4 4-parters, released as 4 DVD movies, they have called it season 6 until now, them now renaming it to season 0 does not negate that it was aired by them under the name season 6 and thus as a season. You already asked why we are using a code format and I already told you why: "The reason why we go with "S07E01" and not "Season 7, Episode 1" is because it takes way to much place and can be displayed just as effectively in short form." Season 5 aired after season 4, therefor having it in an order before season 1 is utter nonsense and impossible. 5+1=6≠0, Comedy Central calling it Season (they still call it a season by the way) 0 is irrelevant here. If I have seven kids, and I name the seventh one "Six" that he/she is still the seventh kid, despite me calling him/her "Six", and if I call the sixth kid "Zero", then he/she is still born after one through five, he/she doesn't get magically ordered to the front of the line. Xeworlebi (t•c) 17:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- Hypnotoad was never broadcasted, so it's utterly irrelevent to this discussion. "Consensus from the start" is also irrelevent and invalid given that no change was made until very recently and there was nothing at the time to suggest otherwise. Like I said, I'm not debating the movies as a production season. It is production Season 5. This is production Season 6. That is not the point, so stop bringing it up. "Season 0" is a designation being used by Comedy Central for the production Season 5 episodes being aired as some kind of special episodes and not part of any proper season. According to Comedy Central now, it was produced as a Season, but not broadcasted as a season. As the broadcasting of Futurama is under their control, and they were the ones that broadcasted these episodes in the first place, it's entirely their call. If we are simply mentioning the broadcast order, then why are we using a code format like the broadcasters use? I simply want to add the changed broadcast season numbers which are being used by Comedy Central in every single rerun of the production Season 5 episodes. Because as far as they are concerned, those episodes are S00E## and the new episodes are S06E##, and there is no mention of them being Season 7 anywhere. Sure, they may have promoted those episodes as a season at the time, but now they're saying "Oh hey, it was never really a broadcasted season. Just a bunch of specials we aired." I am completely justified in adding this. --.:Alex:. 16:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Current status
By the way, have there been reached any consensus on this matter on Wikipedia? Or is it still going back and forth. We are having a similar discussion over at our wiki and we are probably going with changing it to what Comedy Central is calling it. --Svippong 12:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- Consensus has not changed since the information was first added it is and was that this is season six, but the seventh that was broadcasted. .:Alex:. is currently attempting to change it, which is what we are discussing now. Xeworlebi (t•c) 12:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
LATEST UPDATE: This official press release on TV By the Numbers does show that Comedy Central is considering these 26 episodes seasons 6A and 6B, and the next batch seasons 7A and 7B. Just for the sake of saying it. KnownAlias contact 18:58, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
- I removed the "television order" field from the table in the Season 5 article some time ago, seeing as every episode of that season was broadcast in its intended order, and there's none of this split-season weirdness like seasons 6 and 7. Plus, I think it's fair to say that those episodes are not really even meant to be part of any real season, given the long, drawn out nature of their broadcast. --Dorsal Axe 18:20, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Broadcast vs Production Seasons
Can people stop messing up the production season list because of this debate about what constitutes what broadcast season please. Benderama does NOT have the production code 7ACV01 and there is absolutely no proof of such. It is an unknown 6ACV episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omega cyber turnip (talk • contribs) 16:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Overclockwise: Series or Season finale?
I believe the context of the original sentence, "This episode is being written to serve as an open-ended series finale in case the show does not get picked up for another production season" is entirely appropriate. The insinuation with series is that the producers are anticipating the returning possibility that they will again not be renewed, and are writing the episode as the series finale (open-ended so they can again recover the series if they are actually renewed). That is, of course, if there is verification to prove that is their intent. Otherwise, an open-ended season finale; isn't that just a cliffhanger? KnownAlias contact 15:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Why are we using a WRONG order
The broadcast order is the wrong order. It only applies to Comedy Central's initial airings of the episodes (elsewhere everyone and everything uses Production order). All show continuity is based on production order as that is the order the show is meant to be watched in. Why are people changing this to broadcast order? Thegreyanomaly (talk) 19:44, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- How is broadcast order wrong? The show has virtually no continuity between episodes, and ordering by production code is just confusing. 219.90.155.140 (talk) 04:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- Completely agree with the IP. This is unnecessary confusion, and I see no point in putting the episodes in production order. What purpose does that serve? -- A talk/contribs 07:14, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- The only real reasoning given for ordering by production code is that somehow production code implies intended viewing order to avoid errors in continuity, which are extremely rare. Also, the episodes have appeared in production order on the previous DVD volumes, which is a fair enough argument to have, but this season is still airing, so we don't conclusively know the order yet. Why is this list a special case? As far as I know, all other shows are sorted by broadcast order. 219.90.155.140 (talk) 17:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- True, Futurama is the only show ordered by production order rather than broadcast order, because it is order 'approved' by the show's makers on several accounts (particularly with the DVD box sets). In addition, we do know the order based on the US copyright catalogue, which includes both the titles and the production codes.
- I personally do not care, the Infosphere already lists it purely by production order even if it is not the order they are being aired in as we speak. --Svippong 20:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- The only real reasoning given for ordering by production code is that somehow production code implies intended viewing order to avoid errors in continuity, which are extremely rare. Also, the episodes have appeared in production order on the previous DVD volumes, which is a fair enough argument to have, but this season is still airing, so we don't conclusively know the order yet. Why is this list a special case? As far as I know, all other shows are sorted by broadcast order. 219.90.155.140 (talk) 17:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- Completely agree with the IP. This is unnecessary confusion, and I see no point in putting the episodes in production order. What purpose does that serve? -- A talk/contribs 07:14, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- Kinda wrong on several fronts there, Futurama is not the only show; episode lists for Firefly, The Inside and others use production order/DVD order in favor of broadcast order. The Infosphere also has a page for broadcast order, we had one to, but since the option to sort the columns (see full episode list) was introduced that one was removed as being redundant. And I have just activated the sorting for this season as well. In any case going by production code has been discussed and agreed upon several times before now. Xeworlebi (talk) 20:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- I meant 'one of few shows', anyway, the Infosphere even has infosphere:Episode Listing (branded order) for how the networks labels each season and so forth. The reason for the extra articles is to discuss it further than just a simple re-order by JavaScript. I am also well aware of the Infosphere's broadcast order article; I run the Infosphere. --Svippong 21:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- The main list article quite clearly states This list features the episodes in original production order, as featured on the DVD box sets. The latter half of production season 6, however, is shown here in production order. It is not yet known if the Volume 6 DVD will use production order or aired order for these episodes, since the first half of Season 6 was aired in production order. And on a side note, Svip, you are making edits on the infosphere regarding episode order, you can't really cite it as a source Edit: I just realized that infosphere still has it in broadcast order for unreleased DVDs, as it should be. My apologies. 219.90.155.140 (talk) 07:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- Two things; the Infosphere uses production order per default. If the broadcast order changes as they air; then it does become a slight circus, but we still try to update the articles in that order. You will notice how the navigation for the recent episode (All the Presidents' Heads) is listed both in production and broadcast order. And lastly, I am not asking Wikipedia to cite the Infosphere, I know exactly why Wikipedia won't allow that, but I did inform you of a more reliable source; the US copyright catalogue (search for Futurama, reverse by dates). For the episodes not noted there by production code comes from other sources (production promotional material (Countdown to Futurama), revelations by production staff and so on). For anything missing, it was a simple case of filling in the blanks. --Svippong 10:16, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- The main list article quite clearly states This list features the episodes in original production order, as featured on the DVD box sets. The latter half of production season 6, however, is shown here in production order. It is not yet known if the Volume 6 DVD will use production order or aired order for these episodes, since the first half of Season 6 was aired in production order. And on a side note, Svip, you are making edits on the infosphere regarding episode order, you can't really cite it as a source Edit: I just realized that infosphere still has it in broadcast order for unreleased DVDs, as it should be. My apologies. 219.90.155.140 (talk) 07:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- I meant 'one of few shows', anyway, the Infosphere even has infosphere:Episode Listing (branded order) for how the networks labels each season and so forth. The reason for the extra articles is to discuss it further than just a simple re-order by JavaScript. I am also well aware of the Infosphere's broadcast order article; I run the Infosphere. --Svippong 21:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- Kinda wrong on several fronts there, Futurama is not the only show; episode lists for Firefly, The Inside and others use production order/DVD order in favor of broadcast order. The Infosphere also has a page for broadcast order, we had one to, but since the option to sort the columns (see full episode list) was introduced that one was removed as being redundant. And I have just activated the sorting for this season as well. In any case going by production code has been discussed and agreed upon several times before now. Xeworlebi (talk) 20:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
The show has plenty of continuity. The IP and A are blatantly wrong on that count. Here is an example, before Bender's Game, Nibbler's excrement was never thrown away, afterwards it is. If you don't think there is continuity, spend sometime reading the Infosphere. The broadcast order is wrong because the producers determine the correct order and thus assign them a production order. That production order is what all continuity is based off of. The producers have said in DVD commentaries that the broadcast order is wrong (in relation to Fox's shuffling at least). Thegreyanomaly (talk) 21:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
The only real reason I am seeing for changing to broadcast order is that less than diehard fans are getting confused. People getting confused is not actual merit for censoring facts. Does anyone seriously think that Volume 6 will be in anything other than production order? Even production seasons 2, 3, and 4, which were so screwed up were still in production order in their volumes. The same people (30th Century Fox) are still making the DVDs, we should not expect anything different. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 15:28, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- I would say to keep it production order simply for the sake of consistency. That's why everything else follows that order in the first place. Broadcast ordering is horribly inconsistent between countries and networks, so we go by the production codes simply because it's the only kind of order that does not change. --Dorsal Axe 16:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- Blatantly wrong? I simply asked what purpose does production order serve versus broadcasting order. Although good job for clearing that up. -- A talk/contribs 21:49, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
IP vandals continue to revert the page to broadcast order. Can we get this semi-protected. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 22:09, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I got this semiprotected until the DVD/BD is released. Once it is established that the DVD/BD uses the correct production order, talk about the broadcast order should disappear. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 02:24, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
OK since I independently edited the page before it being reverted and informed about this discussion I would like to add my two cents: Production code does not always equal the intended order of the episodes. While it usually the case this does not mean it is always the case I would like to point to a very recent example: Doctor Who (series 6). The 3rd episode broadcast, The Curse of the Black Spot, has the production code 2.9, however for anyone familiar with the show knows that the episode contains a scene that is part of a story arc, a section of which is completed in the 5th to 7th episodes, which respectively have the production codes 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7. The end result is that an episode that was broadcast and clearly shown in story as being set before them has a later production code. The point is don't put everything in the production code simply because of the fact it is the production code. The Light6 (talk) 13:18, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Same could be said for Smallville; the two hour series finale had the production codes 3X6020 and 3X6022, though they were clearly produced to be the sequential finale, and I could make an argument for The Middle's second season Thanksgiving episode, which was the fourth produced episode of the season, and would have aired on October 13th if it had aired in production order (my guess was the deviation was to accommodate guest star Norm Macdonald's schedule). But I'd bet it varies from series to series, particularly from live to animation, which has a much longer production schedule and, therefore, would allow the producers a tighter control over the production order. But we know from previous seasons of Futurama that the production order is the order they end up on the DVD's, which is the intended order. KnownAlias X 13:37, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Partly dittoing Knownalias. Animated shows don't compare to live shows. Live shows have different dynamics and actors and sets, so sometimes things can't be produced in their intended order. That is not really the case for animated shows like Futurama. Also, we already know that for this show, production order is the correct canonical order. Comparisons to Doctor Who (which is not comparable) are no excuse for your edit against consensus. You should have looked at the talk pages first. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 18:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
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