Talk:Fuzuli International Airport

Undue Weight to old history

It is undue weight to give extensive accounts of the 1st and 2nd NK wars in this article. The airport did not exist in those periods. It does not exist now. It is just a plan and a sod-turning ceremony. It's debatable as to whether the article should even exist at all until it is eventually constructed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

No, you're abruptly wrong here. The wars are important in its context, just because the airport is being built as part of the rebuilding processes of Karabakh, and every single source mentions the Second NK War. And avoid WP:OR, you've just made up stuff like it is just a plan and a sod-turning ceremony, there's an aerodrome in its place, and its basically getting upgraded to an airport. In the meanwhile, you should also stop reverting my edit, as you're the one to achieve the consensus per WP:CONSENSUS. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 11:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Your comment here is a personal attack, avoid it from now on. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 12:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

References

• Reply Please read firstly WP:UNDUE before commenting further. It states, "Undue weight can be given in several ways, including but not limited to depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, juxtaposition of statements and use of imagery.". For example, there is a minority of people in the world who are holocaust deniers. So while articles can mention their statements in passing, too much weight is not given to such minority views. So in this case, mention could be made of the existence or an airfield and how the ambitions to build a larger airport were frustrated by the de facto control of the area by the Republic of Artsakh. That would be due weight. Not the half of the article that other editors might like to use. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I simply disagree. Every single article about this region mentions the occupation and the 2020 war. It is not undue, it can't be undue. The whole area became a ghost town, there are RS like RFE/RL mentioning this on their article about the airport. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 08:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Reply That sounds like "I Don't Like It". The comments above are appropriate to the article on the city proper which is linked in this airport article. Anyone interested in the historic context can click the bluelink. That's what it's there for. Such history is to much, too irrelevant and UNDUE for an airport that has not even been built. The more I read these peevish comments, the more I am minded to send the whole article to AfD. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:13, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

You're free to do that, though I'm not sure on what grounds other than that you just don't like the article (not sure for what reason). The airport is clearly notable and has been covered by WP:RS such as RFE/RL. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 09:27, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

No, it doesn't sound like that. Me disagreeing with your comments is not WP:JDL, please avoid misusing guidelines to prove a point. I, yet again, have to state that the available RS specifically mentions the war. The airport is constructed within the context of the war, as most sources imply. This isn't just a random airfield built on a random mountaintop village. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 10:03, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

There's a war in Fuzuli? Since when? Why did nobody tell me? Clearly, if an airport is being constructed in the middle of a war zone, that makes it both noteworthy and due weight. But if you're referring to the 2 NK wars that finished before the foundation stone was even laid, then you are mistaken: to refer to them would indeed be WP:UNDUE. It's not necessary that every article on the former parts of Artsakh that are happily united with the motherland should have a standard boiler-plate paragraph to the glory of the fallen heroes of Azerbaijan. It's simply WP:UNDUE. Please read the policy once more. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:57, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

You can do your own research on a war that happened just a few months ago, or just read this. Also, cut the humour with stuff like these. If you want to reach somewhere, act within the guidelines. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 19:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

3O Response: Thankyou for the request for a Third Opinion in relation to the inclusion of two paragraphs relating to the effects of two previous wars on the city of Fuzuli. This is, fundamentally, an article in relation to an international airport which is under construction in the city of Fuzuli, Azerbaijan. The information page on articles outlines that all articles have a scope; that is, limits on what is covered by that article, as Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. There has been quite a bit written on article scope, however it is most succinctly put in the supplement on writing better articles: "The most readable articles contain no irrelevant (nor only loosely relevant) information." It is obvious that information about the fate of the city of Fuzuli during either war is only very loosely relevant to this article on an airport situated within that city. Therefore, it is my view that content regarding these two wars should not be included in this article (and should instead be covered in the article for the city or the articles on the wars themselves). The exception would be content which directly relates to the airport itself and where that relationship is covered by reliable sources. I hope that this has been helpful. Jack Frost (talk) 12:10, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

References

• Many thanks for your input. @Solavirum: I will now delete the offending paragraphs. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

I guess that will be appropriate. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 10:29, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Multi purpose picture

In the picture, "Ilham Aliyev laid foundation stone for Fuzuli-Shusha highway and Fuzuli airport in Fuzuli district, visited the city of Shusha", what is depicted? (1) Ilham Aliyev laying the foundation stone for Fuzuli-Shusha highway? (2) Ilham Aliyev laying the foundation stone for Fuzuli airport? (3) Ilham Aliyev visiting the city of Shusha? Only (2) should be featured here. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:08, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

It is picture of him laying foundation of the airport, there's a video of him speaking right after it. Title includes Shusha highway too because he visited the highway during the same trip. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 15:16, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Such a busy life he has. No rest for the wicked, eh? Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Considering that the airport is located right on the Shusha highway, I imagine it didn't take a lot of effort for him. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 16:03, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Maybe because he is the president? Maybe it would be better if you avoided unnecessary comments? --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 08:29, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Occupation

The latest redaction of text of the article says:

In the late 1980s the town of Fuzuli had some 17,000 residents. During the First Nagorno-Karabakh War, on 24 August 1993, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces were forced to withdraw from Fuzuli. Fuzili was reduced to a ghost town before its fall in the face of continued pressure from the armed forces of the Republic of Artsakh and of Armenia.

Why do we need so many words to simply say that Fizuli was occupied and destroyed by Armenian forces? No one can deny that this is what happened. OSCE officially calls these territories occupied [2], and we have a communty consensus to refer to these territories as Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh. So what is the point in all these verbal acrobatics to avoid calling a spade a spade? Grandmaster 16:21, 7 November 2021 (UTC)