Talk:Fyodor Basmanov

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• ... that it is believed a favorite of Tsar Ivan the Terrible may have killed his own father to prove his loyalty to the Tsar?

Source 1: "Reign of Terror: Ivan IV", Chapter 14 "The Executions in Moscow". R.G. Skrynnikov, translated by Paul Williams. Copyright 2015. (https://brill.com/display/title/32335)

"The tsar showed mercy towards Fedor Basmanov but, according to Kurbskii, the former favourite avoided death at a terrible price. He “at the last slew with his own hand his father Aleksei, the infamous blackguard or, in the foreign tongue, maniac and destroyer of his own soul and of the Holy Russian lands...Fedor Basmanov proved his loyalty to the autocrat, but did not escape disgrace."

Source 2: A.I. Isechko, "Fyodor Basmanov and his Influence on the Tsar Ivan the Terrible" (in Russian), Vestnik of Donetsk University. (http://science.donnu.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/vestnik-sno-tom-2.soczialno-gumanitarnye-nauki.-istoricheskie-nauki-i-politologiya-chast-12022-kopiya.pdf#page=138)

Original Russian: Андрей Курбский в «Истории о великом князе Московском» писал так: «Фёдор Басманов, своей рукой зарезал отца своего Алексея»... его самого вместе с Федором бросили в темницу, где царь пообещал помиловать Федора, если тот докажет преданность царю и собственноручно убьёт отца– изменника. Федор зарезал отца, после чего Иван Грозный заявил: «предал отца – предашь и меня»

Translation: Andrei Kurbsky in "History of the Grand Duke of Moscovy" wrote thus: "Fyodor Basmanov killed his father Alexei with his own hands"....[he] was thrown together with Fyodor into prison, where the Tsar promised to pardon Fyodor, if he should prove his loyalty to the Tsar and by his own hand kill his father the traitor. Fyodor killed his father, after which Ivan the Terrible declared: "You betrayed your father – you'll betray me too."

• ALT1: ... that Ivan the Terrible was allegedly accused of having a homosexual relationship with a young court favorite of his?

Source 1: Richard Hellie, "WHAT HAPPENED? HOW DID HE GET AWAY WITH IT?: IVAN GROZNYI'S PARANOIA AND THE PROBLEM OF INSTITUTIONAL RESTRAINTS", published 1987. (https://www.jstor.org/stable/24657751)

"Another "threat" was a proclamation in 1564...protesting the murder without trial or investigation of the general Prince Dmitrii Fedorov Ovshchinin-Telepnev-Obolenskii (Ovchina-Obolenskii), who had accused Fedor Basmanov of having pederastic relations with the tsar (charges also made by Kurbskii and something one might expect of a paranoid). Ivan invited Ovshchinin to a feast, then ordered his kennel keepers to suffocate the guest in the cellar."

Source 2: Russian Biographical Dictionary, published 1902. (https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%91%D0%A1/%D0%92%D0%A2/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%94%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_(%D0%9E%D0%B2%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0) ).

Original Russian: князь Димитрий Федорович поссорился с любимцев молодого царя Басмановым и в гневе сказал ему: «я и предки мои служили всегда с пользой государю, а ты служишь гнусной содомией». Басманов нажаловался во время пира Иоанну и царь за пиром же убил Оболенского.

Translation: Prince Dimitry Obolensky quarrelled with a young favorite of the Tsar, Basmanov, and in rage said to him: "I and my ancestors always served the Tsar well, and you serve him with abominable sodomy." Basmanov complained during a feast to Ioann and the Tsar killed Obolensky at the feast.

Source 3: Ivan the Terrible by R.G.Skrynnikov (in Russian). Originally published in 1975, republished in 2001. (http://militera.lib.ru/bio/skrynnikov_rg/02.html)

Original Russian:Курбский упрекнул царя за «разврат» с Федором Басмановым...Овчинин поссорился с Федором Басмановым и выбранил его за нечестивые деяния с царем. Фаворит отправился к царю и плача рассказал ему об оскорблении. Разгневанный дерзостью Грозный пригласил Овчинина во дворец и после пира велел спуститься в винный погреб, чтобы закончить там праздник. Подвыпивший князь не расслышал угрозы в словах государя и отправился в погреб, где был задушен псарями.

Translation: Kurbsky reproached the Tsar for "sexual perversion" with Fyodor Basmanov...Ovchinin quarrelled with Fyodor Basmanov and cursed him for unholy acts with the Tsar. The favorite went to the Tsar and in tears told him about the insult. The Terrible, angered by the audacity, invited Ovchinin to the palace and after the feast commanded him to descend into the wine cellar, to finish the celebration there. The drunk prince did not hear the threat in the words of the ruler and descended into the cellar, where he was strangled by the Tsar's huntsmen.

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  • Comment: Second DYK nomination by Jaguarnik, for now review of other DYK is not required.The draft was created on July 12 but moved to mainspace from draftspace on September 9, so still qualifies under DYK criteria. Update 23 September 2023 : I added English sources for reviewers who can't check in Russian.

Created by Jaguarnik (talk). Self-nominated at 07:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fyodor Basmanov; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Approved for ALT0 only; ALT1 is somewhat iffy. Article prose could be improved but that is not a DYK requirement. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC)