Talk:Gökova

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Hello! This is an account I use for anonymous users. I guess you must be User:Kozlukuyu. I worked a lot on Akyaka, Muğla article and there was no article on Gökova town until now. The ancient city of Idyma extends from just above Gökova town until Mount Kıran above Akyaka, therefore it is appropriate to include its mention both in Akyaka and Gökova articles. I will reinsert the parts you removed from Akyaka article and try to create a balance between Akyaka and Gökova as far as Idyma is concerned. I suggest you upload your pictures in Wikimedia Commons where they will be of much better practical use. I am prepared to give a hand afterwards for Gökova's page layout. I suggest the name of the article simply reads Gökova or Gökova (town) since the disambiguation page will clarify the path to different articles on the gulf and the town. There is no equivalent of a naming which goes like Gökova Town, Muğla, Turkey apart from ideographs left by one odd user back in time. Regards. Pembeana (talk) 12:38, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I had cleared my cookies and not realised that I was not logged in. I don't agree that Akyaka page should include Idyma at all. Idyma extends further than you say but in the opposite direction. A tomb at Elmalı is attributed to Idyma as are tombs further to the west of Gökova and it is generally agreed that Idyma finished more to the east of Akyaka at Inisdibi, with only a harbour attributed to Muğla at Iskele. Akyaka has already added the brown tourism signposts declaring Akyaka to be Sedir Adası which is about 6 miles further up the gulf. They have placed a sign outside of the tombs at Gökova whıch is Gökova Municipality, not Akyaka and it appears all in the name of furthering tourism for Akyaka, denying Gökova town of its own heritage. It would be more appropriate to show the newest finds in Akyaka dating from 500 AD than to appropriate the heritage of other towns. Idyma was not in Akyaka. Its proximity simply makes useful advertising for Akyaka. It was inappropriate for it to be under Akyaka even before there was a Gökova page.

With regard to page title, I created it as "Gökova" but it would not work and only finally worked when I added the full title as is. It now however, redirects from "Gökova". On other pages mentioning "Gökova" as a link, it variously gives results as "this page does not exist", works fine to the new title or shows that it is redirecting, hence the changes to other pages to get "Gökova" to link to the "Gökova" page.....Kozlukuyu (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

http://books.google.com/books?id=EzUACnLxJtQC&pg=PA180&dq=akyaka+idyma&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&hl=tr&cd=7

Archéologie de la défense: histoire des fortifications antiques de Carie - Isabelle Pimouguet-Pédarros, Évelyne Geny, 2000 (p. 180)

http://books.google.com/books?id=ugOTiNCgcTkC&pg=PA182&dq=akyaka+idyma&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&hl=tr&cd=8

Recueil des inscriptions de la Pérée rhodienne‎ - Alain Bresson (p. 182) 1991

Pembeana (talk) 12:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to Gökova JaGa^talk 07:50, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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Gökova Town, Muğla, Turkey → Gökova (town) — The disambiguation page Gökova (disambiguation) will clarify the path to separate articles on the Gulf of Gökova and Gökova (town). There is no other equivalent of an overdetailed naming which goes like Gökova Town, Muğla, Turkey --Cretanforever (talk) 13:55, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

• Comment. Why not just Gökova? It already redirects to the town. If folks think we need to disambiguate, then follow WP:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names), and use Gökova, Turkey. Dohn joe (talk) 18:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

• Support a move to Gökova. A disambiguator is not needed since nothing else at the dab page is called simply "Gökova" and a dab page is not needed per WP:TWODABS. A hatnote can link to the gulf. —  AjaxSmack  03:05, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

• I would come out in support of just Gökova as well for the town in question here if the consensus is in that sense and that by simply adding Gökova (disambiguation) in the article, we would make it clear enough that Gökova is also a name for the alluvial plain where the town is located and for the gulf (Gulf of Gökova) at the end of which it is found (alternatively called Gulf of Kerme in Turkish sources and as the Ceramic Gulf in English-language sources until very recently and sometimes still. Cretanforever (talk) 15:51, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
  • A disambiguation page is not needed for that. Just a bit of editing to the current article would convey what you have explained here. I tried a little already. —  AjaxSmack  19:20, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
    • Nice work, AjaxSmack. I think the page is ready to be moved to Gökova. Dohn joe (talk) 00:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.