Talk:Güveç

Requested move 21 October 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. The consensus is that this article is the primary topic for the term "Güveç". Jenks24 (talk) 07:37, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

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Güveç (cooking) → Güveç – Güveç primarily refers to the bakeware and the dishes cooked in it in general. The dish known as güveç/đuveč is a variety of it and a secondary meaning of the term güveç. (Edit: that this article is the primary topic is self-evident to all those in the know, but the uninitiated can take a look at https://www.google.com/#q=güveç&tbm=bks and see that almost every single one of the 3.320 results refer to the meaning in this article.) Orwellianist (talk) 23:39, 21 October 2015 (UTC) relisted - Mike Cline (talk) 16:53, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

• NOTE there is an old move request at Talk:Güveç (dish) -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:54, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
• NOTE this article is a new article created in October 2015, the other article has been around for years, so it seems odd that if this is the primary topic that it wasn't created years earlier, as editors at the other article Güveç (dish) would have noticed. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:07, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
  • NOTE the article Güveç (dish) has indeed been around for years, but it wasn't titled Güveç, its title was Đuveč, until a user moved it to Güveç recently. There wasn't anything to notice, because that dish was indeed the primary meaning of đuveč.--Orwellianist (talk) 14:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
    • It wasn't moved recently, it was moved over a year ago. Your article here is new, created this month. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:15, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
      • That's what I mean by recently. It hasn't been titled Güveç for years, its name had been Đuveč until Why should I have a User Name? moved it there recently. In any case, I don't know why you are quibbling over it. I didn't bother with including search results because I knew nobody could object that this was the primary usage of Güveç. If you like, go to https://www.google.com/#q=güveç&tbm=bks and try to find a single one out of the 3.320 results that refer to that specific dish and not this article. You won't be able to find many, the difference in use is overwhelming, and it is evident which is the primary topic.--Orwellianist (talk) 17:49, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
      • And which one was created earlier is irrelevant, Obama, Fukui dates to earlier than Barack Obama, but there is no question Barack Obama is the primary meaning of Obama. If you have a case to make that this article is not the primary topic, please do that (though you wouldn't have much material to support that), but it doesn't matter Güveç (dish) was created years ago (and as I said, it wasn't even created under the name Güveç, it was created as đuveč until a user felt like renaming it recently.--Orwellianist (talk) 18:15, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

• Relisting comment - Previous close reverted. Relisted to satisfy requester. Further discussion should explicitly support or oppose the new title as WP:Primary topic --Mike Cline (talk) 16:53, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
  • I don't know what the previous closer expects as compelling evidence, I already pointed out the Google books search results. I didn't go through every single one of the about 3.000 results, but literally every single one them that I checked referred to the meaning in this article. Going through specific examples, I have been pointed out to The Oxford Companion to Food as a good guide book, which also uses the meaning in this article, " a kind of earthenware casserole or the dish cooked in it. I'd dare say the difference in use is not only overwhelming, but they pretty much all exclusively refer to this article.
  • Let me also put this here regarding the previous close. "Unlike articles for deletion, where lack of participation requires relisting, no minimum participation is required for requested moves because for most moves there is no need to make a request at all; the need arises only because of a technical limitation resulting from the target article name existing as a redirect with more than one edit. Thus, if no one has objected, go ahead and perform the move as requested" (Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Determining consensus). There were no objections so far. I am interested to hear if anyone has sources contradicting what I've said here, though I don't believe there to be any and enough time has passed for somebody to contest the move.--Orwellianist (talk) 17:30, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
• Support: The cookware seems to be the primary topic, and any dishes cooked in a güveç or similar item seem to be secondary uses of the name. —GrammarFascist _contribs^talk 17:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Güveç (dish)

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The result of this discussion was to merge (no opposition). --Manduco (talk) 03:23, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

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Both are stubs - the main Güveç article discusses the earthenware but also varieties of the dish - these could be split if the article becomes too long, but right now one substantial article would be preferable to two stubs in my opinion. Seraphim System ^(talk) 10:52, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

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