Talk:G:link

Move

I have moved this article to Gold Coast Light Rail because the proposal has progressed since the feasibility study started. --WikiCats 12:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• I am not sure where it came from, but I think at this stage Gold Coast Rapid Transit would be a better title - much as we would like to think so, bus rapid transit has not been ruled out and all the releases and documents including TransLink refer to the GCRT or GCRTS, instead of explicitly to light rail. SM247^{My Talk} 10:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• As nobody has objected, I will change the name. Light rail is not the definitive option at the moment and the page should reflect that, although it is probably the more likely option. SM247^{My Talk} 03:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine with that. I have sectioned out info from the origional study. --WikiCats 10:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Gold Coast Rapid Transit System

Beautifully designed article, the centre placement of illustration is awesome, congratulations – Moebiusuibeom 04:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Move to GoldLinQ

As the official name is GoldLinQ (as evidenced by the official website), I've moved the page to "GoldLinQ". Geoking66_talk 18:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

The official name is not GoldLinQ. That is the name of the company building it. The Offficial name is Gold Coast Light Rail. You should not be moving it without dissuasion.WikiCats (talk) 16:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Article name - move request

Let's name this article once and for all. Here's the options as I see them:

1. GoldLinQ - current article name - the company building and/or operating the railway system
2. G:link - the branded name of the railway system
3. Gold Coast Rapid Transit - the name of the originally proposed railway system and/or the project with the objective of building/delivering the railway system
4. Gold Coast Light Rail - the name of the railway system

Fairly straightforward to me, options 1 and 2 are company and branded names, option 3 is the former/old name the proposed system (if I'm not mistaken) and/or the project with the objective of building/delivering the railway system, leaving option 4 to be the name of the actual railway station used on the official GoldLinQ website.

Still straightforward but the four stations with articles so-far Surfers Paradise North (GoldLinQ station), Cypress Avenue (GoldLinQ station), Cavill Avenue (GoldLinQ station) and Surfers Paradise (GoldLinQ station) will require moving to Surfers Paradise North (G:link station), Cypress Avenue (Gold Coast Rapid Transit station), Cavill Avenue (Gold Coast Light Rail station) or similar.

Please share your thoughts and !votes below. Thanks! FilmTVComicsNerd (talk) 15:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

• 2) G:link, as this is going to be the trading name once opened. Mo7838 (talk) 07:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
• I would suggest and support a move to 'Light rail in the Gold Coast', it's specific enough to know what it's about, but generic enough to not require renames in the future if/when the system gets rebranded (again). Liamdavies (talk) 08:05, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

So I've plunged forward and moved this to "G:link", although I wouldn't be averse to calling it "Gold Coast Light Rail" either. "Light rail in the Gold Coast" would be a regional overview of something, and not really in line with WP's other articles about light rail lines/systems. Jpatokal (talk) 04:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Stations

As all of the stations are likely to be very similar, would it better to include in the main GoldLinQ article as done in Inner West Light Rail, rather than have an article for each station? Mo7838 (talk) 06:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I would support a merge of station articles. - Shiftchange (talk) 07:17, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

• Support, they simply aren't notable enough to have their own article per WP:GNG. Liamdavies (talk) 08:06, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
• Comment. This all depends on how you look at things. The current preferred way of receiving information is in short bites, rather than in long meandering pieces. Stations are also related to towns, neighbourhoods, streets etc., as well as just the line. Keeping them as stand alone articles does not overwhelm the main article with detail and allows them to be indexed by other characteristics. Think of this as keeping information in an old fashioned card file - just like you do with your profiles of friends and family. You don't have that sort of stuff on one large sheet of paper, do you? Sw2nd (talk) 18:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

• Only four of the 16 stations have articles. Of those four articles I'd say that at least 50% is exactly the same wording and they all rely on a single source - the alignment map. If the alignment map is the only source that one can extract enough information to write a stub where half the words are verbatim across all four articles I simply cannot see how they come anywhere near passing WP:GNG. Significant external coverage is required, these do not even have significant primary coverage; they are simply not notable and all info should be merged into this article, which at 829 words of prose is no where near large enough to consider a long meandering piece. If the article gets too large, or stations received coverage wide enough to satisfy WP:GNG then they can be split out. Liamdavies (talk) 03:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

• All the stations are newly built to the same style of design. Separate articles would be warranted if they had a history pre their current use, eg converted railway stations as on Manchester Metrolink and Port Melbourne railway line. Mo7838 (talk) 05:02, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

• True, but in both the cases you give only stations that are notable have articles. Melbourne has over 1600 tram stops, should there be an article for each? No, that would be absurd, they are simply not notable enough (bar a few). This is why we have the general notability guideline. As has been written so well in WP:STATIONS, 'There are many thousands of railway and subway stations. The question is sometimes raised as to whether one of these places is notable enough for a standalone article. Wikipedia:Notability says: "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.".' And in this case there are zero sources reliable or not that are independent of the subject, unlike the examples given by MO7838. Liamdavies (talk) 12:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Operations

what is meant when it states that the lrt is replaced by buses on weekdays? shouldn't it be weekends? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingeroscar (talk • contribs) 01:46, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

It runs through the night on Saturday and Sunday mornings. On weekdays, route 700 is extended from Broadbeach to GCUH between midnight and 5am --Advanstra (talk) 02:42, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Split proposed

I propose splitting the Stations section into a new article titled List of G:link stations. The only good article on a light rail system, to my knowledge, is Bergen Light Rail. And that has a separate article for its stations. The benefit of moving the table to a separate article is it allows us to replace it with higher-level prose that's encyclopedia better for the reader. The details in the table are excellent - the images, the station codes, the Tranzlink zones, distance, GPS location and nearby locations served - it's just too much detail for the main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.82.65 (talk) 04:07, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

• Support. Seems reasonable and would improve article. - Shiftchange (talk) 08:38, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
• Support. Seems sensible to me. The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
• Support Seems reasonable. Kerry (talk) 21:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Cheers. I have created the new article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by New9374 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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Section move proposal

I propose that the Proposed stations section of the G:link article be moved to the List of G:link stations article. New9374 (talk) 14:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support I don't know why this was even written outside of that list article in the first place. ItsPugle (talk) 12:26, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support for both Stages 3 and 4. Osrone (talk) 07:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I've assumed consensus and completed this move since no objections have been brought up in the more than two years this discussion has been open. Attydatty (talk) 04:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Trams stops notability

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The result of this discussion was no merger. --- Tbf69 P • T 19:32, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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None of the trams stops are particularly notable. All were built to the same design at the same time with most are just stub articles with one primary cite. Propose merging these into the main G:link article along the same lines as other Australian light rail lines CBD and South East Light Rail, Inner West Light Rail and Newcastle Light Rail. Osrone (talk) 03:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose all mergers. All these articles have a decent amount of content and merging them all here will only overload this article. --SHB2000 (talk) 02:16, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Also, I think it's a bit unfair comparing NSW light rail lines to a QLD light rail line. The G:link may not be the most used line, but it's certainly more well-known (thanks to the GC's influence) as opposed to the various Sydney and Newcastle lines. --SHB2000 (talk) 10:28, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Many of the articles did have PRODs for notability the articles that did have them did not go any further and the notices were removed. I entirley agree with SHB's statement that it would overload the GLINK and trying to summarise information into the Glink article will just create more problems. NotOrrio (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Unclear how merging would improve Wikipedia. Having separate articles allows the coordinates to be embedded so they will show up in Special:Nearby and allows us to provide more detail and images of each station. Merging eighteen articles into G link would overload it as mentioned above. Garuda3 (talk) 16:57, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support merging all, either here or to List of G:link stations. Light rail stops are generally not notable. I do not see any convincing arguments otherwise for these stops. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:17, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support merging all station articles either to the list or the main article. Not one stop on the network is notable except Helensvale, because it's also a QR station. Greencyclone (talk) 05:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose all merges. US light rail systems have pages for individual stops? Why can't Australia? HoHo3143 (talk) 10:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Because these particular stations are permastubs with no substantive content? And nowhere near all US light rail systems have pages for each individual stop. There's no reason what little information there is cannot be contained within the list article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:16, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

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Protests

Given how vocal and prolonged the fight to stop light rail has been, I'm more than a little surprised to find not a syllable of it on the page at the moment. I've therefore compiled something of the protests around Stage 1, and will add it the page:

The Gold Coast light rail project was championed by Queensland Premier Anna Bligh, but was subject to prolonged and vigorous protest campaigns from what were probably a minority of vocal objectors. Those who attempted to stop Stage One included Gold Coast Mayor Ron Clarke, former mayor and candidate Lex Bell (who proposed the use of native title to stop the project), and a string of short-lived protest organisations. Their claims included that it was a 'zombie' project and 'white elephant' that would saddle ratepayers with unsustainable debt. The removal of iconic palm trees and poincianas for the construction upset others.

The most prominent and influential objector was a retired property analyst, Alan Midwood. As late as 2016, Midwood was still claiming light rail had been a ‘gross financial disaster’ that had doubled roadway congestion, and calling for it to be scrapped. Other notable objectors who achieved media coverage included the owner of Surfers Paradise shop Condom Kingdom, who feared construction would impact his sales, and Meter Maids (gold bikini clad young women on Council salaries who inserted coins in the expired parking meters of cars with out-of-state number plates), who vowed to chain themselves to trees to prevent the project going ahead.

One particularly vocal group operated by a Paradise Waters resident, alleged light rail was "a proven killer" that slaughtered at "a rate 2.5 times that of cars". Following the success of the project, in 2017 a group of Paradise Waters residents appealed for a tram stop to be added at their locality, as had been originally planned, but were denied it by Council. A former mayor suggested there was a feeling they "were punished because some of them opposed it at the time." MisterWizzy (talk) 18:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Proposed merge

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The result of this discussion was merge. Steelkamp (talk) 06:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

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I propose that List of G:link stations be merged into this article, as there is only one G:link line and no immediate plans for a second line, which means that the list does not need to be separate from the line's article. Steelkamp (talk) 09:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Support, as that article is basically pointless, and also because almost all pages on Wikipedia for a PT line (example) already have station lists basked into them - Stonymusk (talk) 10:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

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