Talk:Gabiley

The map is wrong

The location of Gabily is west of Hargiesa near Awdal borders. This map shows the city as if it's near Berbera.92.96.161.107 (talk) 17:49, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

The map coordinates are 10° 10' 53" N latitude and 45° 33' 46" E longitude; they're from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency ([1]). Middayexpress (talk) 17:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Demographics

I have added valid sources of the demographics to this town along with notable residents who were born from this town, that are being removed without cause or explanation. Do not remove valid sources please. Sincerely, Aqooni

I have reworded the section to include all groups inhabiting the district. Notable residents should not be removed please. Please add four tildes ~~~~ at the end to sign your comments. Kzl55 (talk) 10:10, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Sources more up to date being removed without reason

Sources more up to date of the demographics of this town are being removed without cause or reason. I added a source Based on the 1994 UNCHR report, that showed the Mahad Case of the Gadabursi was the most prevalent subclan of the Gadabursi within this district and it is being removed without reason. I also added a source from 2002 showing from which of the Makahiil subclan of the Gadabursi reside in this district and it is being removed again without reason. These give an excellent look within the demographics of this town and If the valid sources continue to be removed, I will report this to a wikipedia editor. Aqooni (talk) 03:21, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

There is no need to include various subclans of each group as there are multiple groups mentions. The majority group in Gabiley is Habar Awal and that is noted in the article, all other groups are also mentioned. As the Gadabursi is a minority group in Gabiley, adding detailed description for their segmentation is redundant. The same applies for the majority group, only Habar Awal are mentioned. Furthermore, here is an even more recent source that strictly mentions Gadabursi as a single minority group. "Similarly, in the nearby district of Gabiley, no party nominated any candidates from the neighbouring Gadabursi clan because it was believed that the majority clan (Habar Awal/Saad Musa) would not vote for them" Source Koodbuur (talk) 12:18, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

That political source (which is not relevant at all) still includes Gadabursi as residents of this district. There is no harm in showing the two branches of the clan that reside in this town. Furthermore, multiple Isaaq clans that were listed within this page were not even living in the town, I have since removed that error and included relevant sources. Also, Gadabursi are the second largest clan that inhabit this area, showing branches (just 2) gives the reader an in depth look into the demographics of this town.The Aqoon One 00:43, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Koodbuur is correct, Gadabursi are a small minority group which do not live in Gabiley city in large numbers at all. Gabiley city is most definitely not shared, and any edits suggesting that are erroneous. Gabiley is wholly dominated by the Jibril Abokor segment of the Habar Awal subclan of the Isaaq. I believe that Aqooni is making these edits to create a false narrative that Gadabursi are anything other than a small minority group in Gabiley. Linkjan2014 (talk)

This page is frequently being altered by individuals removing the Gadabursi sources without even indicating as to why it is being removed. The History page of this the edits show that clearly. The Gadabursi do reside within Gabiley and that cannot be denied. I believe some users such as Koodbuur and LinkJan2014 want to erase the Gadabursi from this Wikipedia page completely by removing valid sources that indicate their presence within this town. The unwarranted removals continue and I feel they have a narrative or agenda they want to follow, they simply cannot dispute the sources but choose to remove them. The Aqoon One 01:03, 7 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs)

Aqooni has provided no credible references, only quotations and is directly contradicting credible sources from Canadian Immigration. As such I request that this page be protected from his false, clan based edits to create facts where there are none.

Linkjan2014 (talk)

Again credible sources are being removed by biased editors. As you see in the history of the edits on this page, removals are being done without reason at all listed. I will add more references here in the talk page, with website links to show how much disrupting editing these users are doing to this page. I am still a new user so I am getting used to including links. I will show the links here in the talk page. The Aqoon One 01:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs)

Demographics of Gabiley

Again Gadabursi do reside in Gabiley, but their presence on this page is being removed by biased editors. Here are links and valid sources showing the Gadabursi presence in this District.

1. Dostal, Walter (2005). Shattering Tradition: Custom, Law and the Individual in the Muslim Mediterranean. p. 296.:

• It states that the Gadabursi Reside in the Gabiley District.

2.Countries That Aren't Really Countries, page 22.

• States Gadabursi resides in the Gabiley District

3.Cahiers d'études africaines - Volume 37, Page 360:

• States that Isaaq and different Gadabursi lineages live in Gabiley district. Indicating the region is shared(with more diversity in the Gadabursi Lineages). Previously I did include onto this page the different Gadabursi Lineages that reside in this district, but they were removed without cause.

4. Canada: Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, Somalia: Information on the situation of Gadabursi clan members in Gebileh in, north west of Somaliland, 1 May 1994, SOM17272.E, available at: http://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6acef58.html [accessed 6 July 2017]

• The largest sub clan is the Madahasi which neighbours the Jibril Abokr (Saad Musa/Habr Awal/Issaq) near Gebiley

5.UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), Pastoral society and transnational refugees: population movements in Somaliland and eastern Ethiopia 1988 - 2000, 8 August 2002, ISSN 1020-7473, available at: http://www.refworld.org/docid/4ff3fa8b2.html [accessed 6 July 2017] Table 1: Somaliland’s clans by region, Page 5

• States various Gadabursi lineages reside in parts of Gabiley

Again the notion that the Isaaq "exclusively inhabit Gabiley" is a crude lie. I have since added these sources to the page. If another unwarranted removal is done, I will contact a Wikipedia editor and report this misuse. The Aqoon One 20:07, 6 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs)

As explained to you above by Koodbuur and others, it is clear that the majority of residents in this district are Habar Awal, and that Gadabursi do reside in the district, but in small numbers. I have added both. Hope that settles it. Regards --Kzl55 (talk) 21:07, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

The sources I provided indicated the Gadabursi reside in Gabiley, but not in small numbers. They share the district with the Isaaq. Provide proof of your claims and do not remove valid sources. Also sources indicated a greater variety of Gadabursi Sub-clans reside in Gabiley district, as opposed to Isaaq. That source has been removed without cause as well. It is clear by the sources I have provided, that the Gadabursi and the Isaaq share the district at near even numbers. Will re add sources. The Aqoon One 21:15, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

You have been advised about this before, editor Koodbuur above has provided a source that clearly states "Similarly, in the nearby district of Gabiley, no party nominated any candidates from the neighbouring Gadabursi clan because it was believed that the majority clan (Habar Awal/Saad Musa) would not vote for them" Source. It clearly indicates the majority clan within district. Please cease the disruptive edits. --Kzl55 (talk) 21:42, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

A political voting source, that does not even mention demographic is now being used a demographic source? That source is being used incorrectly and does not match the level of my sources on the demographics of this region. You are seriously pulling at straws. My sources all indicate the Gadabursi members of the district are not a minority. There is no source that mentions the Gadabursi are a minority in the district, as opposed to the town. The Aqoon One 21:46, 6 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs)

It clearly states no party nominated any candidates from the neighbouring Gadabursi clan because it was believed that the majority clan (Habar Awal/Saad Musa) would not vote for them, it is appropriate for use as it names both clans in question and clearly confirms Habar Awal being majority. You have been advised of this by other editors above. Edit warring could cause your account to be blocked, I suggest you discuss your edits on talk pages before adding contention material on multiple pages. --Kzl55 (talk) 21:54, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Demographics

These Gadabursi trolls are getting annoying. How on earth is gabiley shared? The city mayor and vice mayor are Jabril Abokor. There are 20 MPs in gabiley. 15 are Jabril Abokor, 2 are Abdullah Abokor, 1 is madigan, 1 is akisho and 1 is gurgura. Where the hell is gadabursi mps? Because your clan is none-existent in gabiley region.

Gabiley district clan majority has been proven to be 95% Jabril Abokor. The largest minority are Abdullah Abokor who make up 2% and other clans such as Madigan, Akisho and Gurgura all make up 1%. Gadabursi are even smaller than madigan and Akisho in gabiley region. They are none-exstinent after east Dilla.

Fact matter is there are more Jabril Abokor in Awdal than gadabursi in Gabiley region. In fact Jabril Abokor inhabit huge chunk of land in north-east of Awdal and southern Awubere district.

Gabiley District is wholly dominated by Jabril Abokor and Dilla is the border between Jabril Abokor and Gadabursi, so how on earth do you guys live any where near wajaale and khalabaydh? Stop being delushional, they are completley dominated by Cali Jabril and Reer Yoonis.

Removal of residents in this District

Can anyone explain as to why valid sources showing the presence of Gadabursi within this region is being removed? It is undisputed the fact they reside here. The Aqoon One 04:19, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Because all your sources are fictions based on lies. There is not a single Gadabursi MP or village residing within Gabiley district and Jibril Abokor has villages and MP's in Awdal, but you don't see them claiming the entire region or doing some edit wars. Realistically Jibril Abokor has more to say in Awdal than Gadabursi in Gabiley. End off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khysion (talk • contribs) 14:32, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 October 2017

I want to submit an official request to be able to edit this page. This is because I only would edit with sourced references.

Thank you MustafaO (talk) 22:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 01:31, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Add these sources to the page

I would like to challenge the notion that the Isaaq clan is the "exclusive" resident of this District. Please change the sentence "with the Jibril Abokor sub-division of the Habr Awal the exclusive residents of this district." In the header *Demographics* to include the following ( I have provided sources indicating the Gadabursi reside in Gabiley) Please include this sentence: The Gadabursi reside in the city of Gabiley, with the Baha Samaroon, and the Reer Mohamed Nuur representing the Gadabursi lineages. Aqooni (talk) 23:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

 Partly done: the wording has been changed to reflect the information in one of the existing sources, especially the word "exclusive" has been replaced by the word "main" to describe the noted main (though not exclusive) inhabitants. Thank you very much for your work on this and for bringing attention to the poor use of the word "exclusive" in the Demographics section of this article!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  07:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

References

Undone

Linkjan2014, please use the talk page before reverting content. EELagoon (talk) 06:44, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Linkjan2014, the new source you used has no mention of Gabiley. A significant amount the of Somalia city/town pages use the 2005 UNDP census. I have created a discussion on the matter if you want to contribute. EELagoon (talk) 08:44, 21 May 2018 (UTC)