Talk:Gary Moore

Cause of Death

The cause of death whilst citing referrences does not necessarily quote authoratitive medical sources. No competent pathologist or doctor will claim that one event of alcohol poisoning is the sole cause of a heart attack. Of course excessive alcohol consumption is potentially life threatening but to state that Gary Moore had a heart attack as a result of excessive alcohol consumption is a simplistic unqualified remark. Alcohol usually alters blood viscosity and dilates blood vessels effectivly easing any constrictive load on the coronary arteries. "Heart attacks" are caused by narrowing of the coronary arteries to the point where plaque debrie is scoured off the artery wall by blood currents and damns off the blood flow in the vessel to the hearts muscles. This can happen in one, two or three of the hearts arteries. Narrowing of the coronary arteries due to arterial plaque deposition is a progressive condition and the plaque builds up slowly over some years to the point that it causes a heart attack. One alcoholic session will not shut down your coronary arteries. Furthermore stating GM had more than five times the UK drink drive limit is meaningless. "Five times" sounds impressive until you realise how little alcohol that is. The UK drink drive limit is the equivalent of 25ml of alcohol, or one glass of spirts or one pint of strong beer i.e. very little! Most drinkers could handle five times 25ml of spirits fairly easily with no adverse affects especially if you have eaten and are of robust frame. Simply alcohol cannot be the only cause of his heart attack. It has to be more complicated than that. I should point out that men in their mid 50s with unrestricted diets and who perhaps smoke are in the most at risk group for narrowing coronary arteries whither you drink or not. I think it far more likely that GMs sad demise was due to coronary artery disease. It is disrespectful to suggest otherwise without actualy being there yourself. I dont like to hear people saying GM drank himself to death in an alcohol binge when he was suffering from narrowing coronary arteries.

It's reported here [1] that he has 380mG of alcohol / decilitre of blood. That's a lot, not a definite source, but [2] reckons it's pretty damned close to the fatal limit. I'd say he drank a lot and died and there's a link between the two events. 82.34.223.141 (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Amy Winehouse drank 3 bottles of Vodka and had 412mg/decilitre in her blood when she died. Angry drunk Moore had 380. too much Alcohol is fatal. Also, learn how to spell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.179.233.186 (talk) 22:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

DOB

IIRC Gary was born in '53. Anyone has the correct data on this? (Also on Skid Row 1st LP it says "He's almost 17". That LP was released in '70 (but may have been recorded in '69) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.170.124.81 (talk) 16:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Equipment

does anyone know what gear uses gary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.78.125.89 (talk • contribs)

Not sure. I have a feeling he liked Les Paul guitars, at least for a while. --Mal 01:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

He plays a Les Paul; Gibson made a custom Les Paul with his name on it.

Re Gary moore Band 1972/3: Les Paul TV Guitar (almost exclusively) + Fender Strat, Fender combo amp replaced with Acoustic Padded Blue Metalflake Amp and speaker set (see jackson5 pics at royal variety, as it was loaned to them for the gig): AKG D1000E microphone plus 2 D1000C set to "top": Wem Copycat tape-loop echo unit: Muff Fuzz fuzz box: WEM "Festival" 3-way PA System (from Skid Row) --- I still have the mics (one capsule blown when Bass player fell off stage at Talk in the Town in Leicester) and Muff Fuzz: copycat went to project in Toxteth after the Riots (Marked "mole sound")

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(User: malcolm@mill.me.uk)--Malcolmsmill (talk) 19:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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This article needs work on its tone, which reads too much like a fanboy appreciation - influential and talened as Gary Moore undoubtedly was. And there are quite a few irrelevant comments about Cream and the 60s, which are POV. Regards, bigpad (talk) 13:57, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

"Desperado" unofficial compilation album

Hi, English Wikipedia community! In Russian Wikipedia I found a page with no interwiki Desperado. It says that Gary Moore had a compilation album that didn't included in official discography. Here in English Wikipedia I didn't found any info about it. Please check this, include in article if needed. If you find any info about this album, please create the article, so I can put iwiki, or just tell me about it. Thank you! ;o) You can find me in RuWiki here: Nagash, 5 of July 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.218.46.111 (talk) 12:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Moore also performs on the 2004 DVD concert to celebrate 50 years of the Fender Strat, along with the likes of Brian May, Hank Marvin, Dave Gilmor, Mike Rutherford, The Crickets, Ronnie Wood and Joe Walsh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.36.220.146 (talk) 02:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Why no BLP template/disclaimer on article?

--68.173.2.68 (talk) 20:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

'Connection with Peter Green' / 'Guitars used'

I notice, not for the first time, that there are no verified references / citations used on either of these sub-sections. As such, even allowing for the little editing war that goes on from time to time - this is all unsourced POV. I suggest these sections are deleted in their entirety; unless someone can provide some sources for their ramblings. Best wishes, Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It also contradicts itself on the out-of-phase pickup issue. If the guitar was wound incorrectly (i.e. reverse wound) then a reversed magnet would in fact put the neck pickup back into phase with the bridge. There has been much debate to this with apparently evidence to support both sides. What I think is more important though is that this isn't raised fully in the Peter Green article where it would make more sense, so I don't think there should be a contradictory article under Gary Moore in place of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.120.161.6 (talk) 10:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC) 99.165.111.189 (talk) 00:43, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

There were something like 680 1959 Les Pauls made during that year - apparently, of the lemon bursts that were made, 23 suffered the same problem. It was an error at the factory where the pickups were simply wired up wrong (in other words the poles were reversed internally by the wires not being soldered correctly) and outwardly the pickups looked normal. Peter Green initially took the guitar back to the shop where he had bought it second hand and had it rewired, but then he asked for it to be put back again as he preferred it reversed after all. Gary Moore had another set of pickups put in replacing the PAFs but didn't get on with them so the originals were put back still with the factory wiring error intact.

Signature guitar/links

The Gary Moore signature guitar can be veiwed @ www.gibson.com , but I was unable to varify weather or Gary Moore was one of the first people to have a signature model. I also located an artical titled "Gary Moore On Peter Green" from Rolling Stone Mag.1995 that can be viewed at Rocks Back Pages library This may help with citations.There are links to all over this artical but very few to the main authors sources in the body of the artical. I think that he or she is the only one that can edit some sections.The link to the page@ gibson.com that features the Gary Moore Les Paul BFG is 15 words long, use the search box.The Gibson company has no record of a Gary Moore signature guitar manufactured in the 1990s. The reference to this in the Wiki. Les Paul artical may be unfounded according to the gibson archives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Detaill (talk • contribs) 21:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)----

So, after seemingly months of indecision, I have removed the section(s) below as lacking verifiability, and challenge editors to find reliable sources to justify the inclusion of this text, which I feel is largely fancruft bollocks - please, prove me wrong, if you will -

According to numerous interviews Moore has given to guitar magazines, he is the protégé of British blues pioneer Peter Green, whom he has admired ever since the Bluesbreakers days. When Green quit Fleetwood Mac and the entire music scene, he sold his famous nasal-sounding 1959 Gibson Les Paul to Moore, for the same price that Moore had managed to sell his then guitar, a Gibson SG. In an interview in Classic Rock Magazine, Moore claims that when he and Green met for a photo-shoot with the guitar to promote Blues For Greeny, the latter picked up the guitar and commented that he'd sold his own Les Paul. Moore had to point out that this was the guitar Green had sold him since he hadn't recognised it and forgotten he'd sold it to Moore.

The nasal sound that resulted when both neck and bridge pick-ups were active on Green's guitar was not, as used to be believed, the result of the pick-up having been turned backward. Instead its neck pickup had been accidentally rewound in reverse using Fender-style wire, by a young repairman, Sam Lee, who had never worked on a Gibson humbucker before. The result was a unique out-of-phase tone that could be more nasal or full depending on volume-knob settings. These sounds were masterfully used by Peter Green, and later, Moore. Green's former Les Paul was Moore's main instrument for many years, and it can be heard to an especially good effect on his albums Still Got the Blues, After Hours and Blues For Greeny.

Green and Moore also reportedly had a disagreement regarding what guitar the former was playing in the song "Albatross". Moore insists it was the Les Paul, because the guitar tone was particularly warm and rich in the bass, while Peter Green maintains he was using a Strat, as the vibrato in that song was not finger vibrato, but subtle tremolo arm vibrato.

Guitar designer and builder Jol Dantzig, who has built a number of his Hamer guitars for Moore, recounted a story in Vintage Guitar magazine about investigating the pick-up mystery with Moore in the 1980s. What Dantzig actually found was that the neck pick-up magnet had been reversed. It was out-of-phase by the magnet being turned around, not by the leads at the pot reverse-wired. "I can't say whether it was done by a repairman or done at the factory originally, said Dantzig, "who knows?" — actually Peter Green is on record as having done it accidentally himself, however it is unclear if he meant reversing the magnet or the whole pick-up.

Over the years Moore has used numerous guitars. These include – Peter Green's 1959 Gibson Les Paul Sunburst, and the 1950s Gibson Les Paul Junior. He has also used guitars from Charvel, Fender, Ibanez, Hamer, Jackson, Heritage, Paul Reed Smith and, as seen in the music video for "Out in the Fields", a SynthAxe. He can also be seen using a white Gibson Explorer during the 2003 Monsters of Rock festival. Amplification has generally come from Marshall, although Soldanos and Fender have also been used, as well as transistor-driven Dean Markley units (especially in the studio). He also has used numerous effects over the years. These include; Delay units such as the Roland Space Echo, 555, Overdrive/Booster units such as the BOSS DS-1, Ibanez Tubescreamer variants, Marshall, Bluesbreaker and Guv'nor pedals as well as wah-wah pedals such as the Vox Wah, Dunlop JH1. He appears nowadays to favour Gibson and Fender guitars, through Marshall amplifiers. His choices in effects have remained constant, using an Ibanez TS10 Classic Tubescreamer on many recordings/live shows.

Moore's contribution to music and blues in particular have been recognised in recent years by prestigious commercial endorsements. In 2004 to 2006 Moore was featured in full page advertisements for Marshall's range of reissued classic handwired amplifiers, including classic amplifiers from the 1960s and 1970s, such as the popularly named "Bluesbreaker combo" originally made famous by Eric Clapton. Moore was also recognised by Gibson Guitars in 2008 with a signature model, The Gary Moore Les Paul BFG, which is not a reproduction of an existing model, but a new model with a distinctive lemon sunburst maple cap, a neck as well as a body that is unbound, and a "Gary Moore" name plate engraved on the truss rod cover.

Over to you - truss rod / out of phase tone / nasal sounding / volume knob geeks: just a tertiary source would blow away the blues for me. Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

References

Death rumour

There is a lot of speculation today that Gary has died while on vacation in Spain. The source of the rumour is an article at hotpress.com but at this point, no reliable source has been found from the major news outlets, and Gary's home page has not been updated with any new info. Hopefully this will turn out to be an unfounded rumour, but the Wiki article should not be updated until a reliable source has been found. Robman94 (talk) 17:28, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Confirmed on the BBC news web site :( Mesdale (talk) 17:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

References

Thin Lizzy's Facebook page has confirmed Gary Moore's death

http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/thin-lizzy/gary-moore-april-4th-1952-february-6th-2011/187522074603619

It is with great sadness we hear of the passing of Gary Moore. Our thoughts go out to Gary's family at this time and our memories of Gary and his contribution to Thin Lizzy and music in general will live on forever.

Brian Downey: 'I am in total shock. I have known Gary since 1967 when he was in Platform Three and he's been an amazing friend ever since. It was a pleasure to play with Gary again in 2006 after his days with Lizzy. He will always be in my thoughts and prayers and i just can't believe he is gone'

Scott Gorham: 'Playing with Gary during the Black Rose era was a great experience, he was a great player and a great guy. I will miss him.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.18.220.116 (talk) 17:31, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Will update. Thanks. Connormah (talk) 17:35, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

It's also on http://www.thinlizzyband.com/ Robman94 (talk) 17:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

How confident are we that the people who run these sites are actually in contact with reliable sources? None of the big music news sites are carrying this yet. There is no deadline. Guy (Help!) 17:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

• • They're running it on the BBC news 'Breaking News' banner, so I'd assume that they've just recieved a reliable source MoreofaGlorifiedPond,Really... (talk) 17:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I can find no source which stated where he died or what was the cause, so the 'drug overdose' reference ought to be removed immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.9.153 (talk) 18:21, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Gary's Facial Scars ?

Does anyone know definitively (not a mate said, a roadie said ... the web is full of those) the story behind the scars on Gary's face ? I ask, because I'm pretty certain I was there when it happened; where and how, but just sketchy on the date. (West London pub around 1975/6 ?) IanGlendinning (talk) 09:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

According to Eric Bell, it was in North Longon : "Bell tells the story of a girlfriend Gary had in the mid-70s.[...] Gary told me that one night they went out to [North London hangout] Dingwalls, and he and his girlfriend were up at the bar having a drink. These two guys were about ten feet away and started mouthing about Gary’s girlfriend. What they’d like to do to her. So Gary said something to them. And one of the guys just smashed a glass on the bar and stuck it in his face. Just like that."--88.14.157.34 (talk) 10:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

References

Yep, I saw that article published several years after my query. In that piece Eric Bell is recounting hearsay from memory - seems sure Eric wasn't actually there? The situation I recall is as described there, but I'm pretty sure it was earlier in the evening in the Western Counties, Paddington (more recently renamed The Sawyers Arms). In his memory he may have been going on to Dingwalls (in Camden) later (?) obviously a more memorable / famous venue. But anyway, he'd been in the Counties jamming with Bill Puplett of Scarecrow and was in the upstairs balcony bar with his girlfriend in the break between sets. The only doubt in my own memories was exactly when it was 74/75-ish and whether it was one of the nights he'd been jamming (there were a few) or whether he's just been in the crowd. We certainly saw the scarred Gary again 76/77-ish several times with Jon Hiseman's Colloseum II. IanGlendinning (talk) 12:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by IanGlendinning (talk • contribs) 12:11, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

"Parisienne Walkways"

I just noticed that the song "Parisienne Walkways" doesn't have a wiki page whereas Out in the Fields does. I know that most singles don't qualify for pages, but I would have thought that "Parisienne Walkways" would qualify as it's possibly the song that Gary is best known for. Thoughts? Robman94 (talk) 00:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

It charted, so there's no reason why it shouldn't have an article, albeit a somewhat short one. Go for it. Rodhullandemu 00:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes - sorry to but in here - but you are right Robman94. The song is certainly my most vivid audio recollection of Moore, and I suspect I am not alone. There is no logical reason why there should not be an article on the song. If you have not created a new article (I have no idea, but I am guessing), why not give it a go if you are game ? Help is always available to those who are trying to enhance/augment/better (is that 'big up' in the modern parlance?) Wikipedia. I would rather have one editor who made a cock-up of trying to make things better around here, than 10 billion vandals who think it's clever disrupting the status quo, any day of the week. I know nowt, but give me a call if you decide to have a go and get stuck.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Should definitely have an article. Mooretwin (talk) 10:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I have created a few articles already, and I know from experience what a pain it is because there's a "new pages patrol" out there who's only mission in life is to delete wiki pages. I posted this in the hopes that it would jog a Moore fan into action to create one, but if no one else jumps on it, I may do it myself. I just have a few other pages that I want to create first. Robman94 (talk) 02:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I have just done an article for the song and have added a singles section to the Gary Moore template, which also has Out In The Fields. I wasnt aware of this discussion, but yes it had to be done by someone - definitely his most well-known work. Feel free to add or change anything. I'll never forget my older brother playing it constantly back in '79 - a timeless guitar classic. Any thoughts about an article for Empty Rooms? Nostalgic34 (talk) 13:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Good job, thanks for doing it. I just added a little bit more regarding the '93 release. Robman94 (talk) 18:30, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Great stuff, thanks.Nostalgic34 (talk) 18:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Photo Gallery

I know I'm getting the title of "Photo Fairy", so forgive this, but someplace in the WP:MOS regarding images on biography pages, photo galleries are frowned upon, so I removed the one from Moore's page. Also, (with some discretion), the infobox should have the best, most representative, recent photo. After that, the photographs should be placed chronologically in the text, hopefully really reflecting the exact text whenever possible, so this is what I have done. Gary Moore was a very, very, talented musician, who overcame many early inner demons to be a great blues player. He deserves more! And, if helpful, here's a link to a commnent on Keith Emerson's website: [3] Use if helpful. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 20:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Heart Attack

His official site is confirming it now, could someone please change it? 58.169.108.138 (talk) 10:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Adding back mondoweiss

Mondoweiss is a blog and WP:SPS so it can't be used in any article as WP:RS--Shrike (talk) 05:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

That is different than your claim that it is against WP:BLP. I have removed the blog used as a source and replaced with a citation request to allow editors time to find one.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 14:28, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Solo career: rock years

This article could use some significant additions, I think, and perhaps a split of the solo career headline into two parts, dealing with rock and blues, 1980s and 1990s separately. Whilst Gary didn't make it big with his solo career in the States before Still Got the Blues, he was a big star throughout Europe and in Japan. One need only look at the list of people he influenced listed towards the bottom of the article: Most of those were in their formative years as guitarists in the late 70s and 80s, when Gary was touring and recording as a solo rock guitarist. Clearly his earlier years, though not as commercially successful as his blues albums (at least not in the US), deserve to be properly covered?

In more practical terms, I would suggest that we split the Solo career header in two, with the former part being about his rock years, the latter about his blues career and final years. Would this be acceptable? If so, I would be happy to take the main responsibility for shaping the new text. Sirion123 (talk) 00:53, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

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"The Easy Guitar Book Sketch"

I've found this sketch on YouTube, can somebody add it as a citation please? I've never done one before and it looks complicated :/ Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeIxJzdPD0A Yevad (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Hard Rock or Heavy Metal?

At some point, the header of the section on Gary's 80s output has been relabelled, from ″The Heavy Metal Years″ to ″Hard Rock Years″. Since both genres are quite poorly defined the border between the two can be somewhat blurred. Bretonbanquet argues that ″much more of his output was rock, not metal, and section titles aim for generality″. This has not been argued for, however, but merely asserted; I also notice that s/he uses the term "metal" rather than "heavy metal". I am not sure whom one would consider a source in this case, but the reviews posted in AllMusic labels every single of his 80s albums ″heavy metal″ or ″pop-metal″; in the reviews for Victims of the Future he is specifically labelled a ″heavy metal guitar slinger″. Until the matter can be further clarified I am taking the liberty to revert this section back to the original. Sirion123 (talk) 11:25, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Metal / heavy metal are the same thing. Heavy metal generally means something rather different in the US to what it means in the UK, where Moore is from. His AllMusic overview page does not even mention heavy metal, but does mention hard rock. The biography page mentions HM once. The album pages: only Rivadavia seems to think Moore was heavy metal. On Dirty Fingers he uses the term "heavy rock" and on After the War he uses "hard rock". Elsewhere he does use the term "heavy metal" here and there. I'm going to pause here: this is pretty pointless. You're convinced to the extent that you'll repeat-revert over it, and arguing with the idea that Gary Moore is heavy metal, like Judas Priest or Iron Maiden, is not something I'm going to waste time on. Bretonbanquet (talk) 16:39, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

If you are content not to push the issue further I shall refrain from taking issue with the ad hominem and straw men above. I would like to clarify a few things still, though. First an admission. My opinion is that many people would take issue with the idea that "metal" and "heavy metal" are synonymous. In my experience, when used as an independent noun, the former is generally favoured by groups that are younger, and the criteria for being regarded as such have generally become stricter over time; in modern parlance, "heavy metal" is arguably a sub-genre of "metal". This, admittedly, is also a anecdotal (and, for what it is worth,occasion found in the sources below), so for the sake of moving on I admit that I probably should not have brought it up. More importantly, whilst the term "heavy metal" is only used once in his biography on AllMusic (which was not written by Rivadavia, but Greg Prato), its positioning could not have been more important for the matter at hand: "But it was also during the '80s that Moore finally got serious with his solo career -- issuing such heavy metal-based works as 1982's Corridors of Power, 1983's Victims of the Future, 1984's Dirty Fingers and the in-concert set We Want Moore!, 1985's Run for Cover, 1987's Wild Frontier, plus 1989's After the War …" Only by removing the modifier "-based" could this have advocated more strongly for my position. In comparison, the term "hard rock" is not used at all, and "rock" employed only for his 70s works and his millennial experimental albums. On After the War Rivadavia uses the term "hard rock" once, but also speaks of "metal guitar riffing"; "heavy rock" might have been used for Dirty Fingers, but so is both "metal" and "heavy metal". As stated in my initial statement, there is no doubt that the border between the genres is fluid, but one has to make a decision, and if we are to ground our nomenclature in the editorial sources discussing the albums, "heavy metal" does indeed seem to be the better fit. Sirion123 (talk) 20:49, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

There's no ad hominem or straw man. I very clearly took issue with an idea, not an individual, you or anyone else. You did repeat-revert, I don't think that's in question, apart from the fact that you reverted once while logged out, which you may or may not have been aware of. You didn't address my point that "heavy metal" means different things in different parts of the world, which is I think, a very relevant point. I've been involved in genre discussions on more occasions than I care to remember and there will be no more. I disagree with you entirely about your ideas about the metal and heavy metal terminology; in my experience the two terms are utterly interchangeable, but you're right that it isn't worth discussing. The rest of your post concerns matters which I have already stated I am not willing to discuss further. For future reference though, when indulging in this kind of genre pissing contest, people will want to use more than one source. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Very well. I believe you are wrong on all accounts mentioned in your last post (save me making an edit whilst logged out, which was indeed a mistake), but if we are in agreement as far as this article goes I think we can end this here. Sirion123 (talk) 21:55, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Teenage Years in Dublin

I notice the early life section mentions his moving to Dublin at 16 when he joined Skid Row. In Cobh (the port of ) there's a large picture of Gary behind the bar of Ryan's bar. According to the landlord he's remembered there because he stayed in Cobh with a Moore family relative. IanGlendinning (talk) 12:51, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Cobh is down river from Cork City

What is the importance of "Northern" Irish ... does that mean Irish as opposed to British but avoiding the word 'Irish'?

Like the page on Declan Donnelly, here we have this 'Northern Irish' rubbish. Wikipedia is meant to be informative, not a platform for typical British xenophobes. I'll assume he's Irish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.65.190.78 (talk) 21:04, 2 May 2021 (UTC)‎

Please read Northern Irish and also stop with your racism. DuncanHill (talk) 21:13, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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