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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 21:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

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  • ... that genderless fashion in Japan is a way for the Japanese to rebel against gender norms? Source: Tokyo Fashion via I-D: "Genderless boys are not trying to pass as women -- rather, they are rejecting traditional gender rules to create a new genderless standard of beauty." (link)
    • ALT1:... that genderless fashion in Japan was inspired by K-pop groups, visual kei, and '80s–'90s American fashion? Source: CNN: "...the inspiration for genderless style encompasses three modes of fashion: androgynous Korean pop groups; "visual kei," a 1980s glam-rock genre featuring flamboyantly outfitted male performers; and the fashion of 1980s and 1990s America..." (link)

Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 21:55, 21 March 2021 (UTC).Reply

  •   Interesting article! I saw some of this when I visited Harajuku two years ago. The article is new and long enough, well-sourced and neutrally written; no copyvio detected by Earwig's tool. QPQ is done, article image is appropriately licensed. I prefer ALT1, though both hooks are cited and interesting, and I will leave the final selection up to the promoter. (Also made some slight tweaks to "80s-90s" per MOS:DECADE and MOS:DATERANGE.) Anyway, this looks good to go. DanCherek (talk) 03:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

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While trying to translate this article into German, I encountered several instances where the text could not be verified. Here is each case:

People who are part of the genderless subculture are known as "genderless men" (ジェンダーレス男子, jendāresu danshi) or "genderless women" (ジェンダーレス女子, jendāresu joshi), who dress androgynously without conforming to societal gender norms.[1][2]

The genderless subculture is seen as a rejection of traditional gender roles.[3] Unlike in the West, the subculture is more associated with fashion than sexuality or gender identity, and is not considered to be a person attempting to "pass" as the opposite gender,[4]

or declaring themselves gay or transgender.[5][6]

Masafumi Monden, a researcher from the University of Technology Sydney, as well as several genderless men, have reasoned that this is because Japanese society puts a clear separation between appearance and sexuality.[7][8]

However, some men have stated that being part of the genderless subculture has made them more accepting of other sexualities.[9]

Unisex fashion for men has also been expressed through anime and manga.[10][11]

Modern genderless fashion originated in the Harajuku district of Tokyo.[12][13] The earliest influence is JW Anderson's Fall 2013 collection, of which featured male models in feminine clothing during its showcase.[14] By 2015, genderless fashion gained popularity in Japan.[14]

It and drew heavy influences from the androgynous styling of South Korean K-pop boy bands,[15][16]

Influential figures for the genderless subculture are actor and model Toman;[17][18] model and media personality Ryuchell;[17][18][19] and media personality Genking.[17][18] One of the few notable figures for genderless women in media is actor and model Satsuki Nakayama;[a] however, there are fewer genderless women in entertainment compared to genderless men.[18]

Most fans of genderless men are young girls.[21]

The first instance of the term "genderless men" appeared in 2015 to describe Toman.[22][23]

In 2017, En Coton, a tailoring company, opened an online service called Madam M, claiming to be the first clothing repair store for LGBT people in Tokyo, with options for "genderless" custom orders.[24]

In addition to genderless people appearing in entertainment, several genderless men have appeared as characters in media, such as Cecile no Mokuromi (2017)[25] and My Androgynous Boyfriend (2018).[26]

In 2018, the magazine Da Vinci cited Kuranosuke Koibuchi from Princess Jellyfish, Oscar François de Jarjayes from The Rose of Versailles (1972), Marie-Joseph Sanson from Innocent (2013), Tetsuo from Yūreitō [ja] (2011), Haruhi Fujioka from Ouran High School Host Club (2003), Sailor Uranus from Sailor Moon (1991), Ukyo Kuonji from Ranma ½ (1987), Sapphire from Sapphire: Princess Knight (2008), Kyubei Yagyu from Gin Tama (2003) as retrospective examples of genderless characters in manga.[27] The Other Karma (talk) 18:56, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello, the statements are all listed in the sources. You can use Ctrl + F to search for keywords in the articles. lullabying (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
That's what I did while translation. When I have time I may, provide a list of the nearest matching claims in the sources. The Other Karma (talk) 04:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Clarke, Ashley (2016-02-23). "exploring genderless kei, harajuku's online fashion revival". I-D. Vice. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  2. ^ Robertson, Jennifer (2018-01-16). "Exploring Japan's 'genderless' subculture". CNN. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  3. ^ Rich, Motoko (2017-01-05). "With Manicures and Makeup, Japan's 'Genderless' Blur Line Between Pink and Blue". The New York Times. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  4. ^ Clarke, Ashley (2016-02-23). "exploring genderless kei, harajuku's online fashion revival". I-D. Vice. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  5. ^ Robertson, Jennifer (2018-01-16). "Exploring Japan's 'genderless' subculture". CNN. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  6. ^ Rich, Motoko (2017-01-05). "With Manicures and Makeup, Japan's 'Genderless' Blur Line Between Pink and Blue". The New York Times. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  7. ^ Robertson, Jennifer (2018-01-16). "Exploring Japan's 'genderless' subculture". CNN. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  8. ^ Rich, Motoko (2017-01-05). "With Manicures and Makeup, Japan's 'Genderless' Blur Line Between Pink and Blue". The New York Times. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  9. ^ Rich, Motoko (2017-01-05). "With Manicures and Makeup, Japan's 'Genderless' Blur Line Between Pink and Blue". The New York Times. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  10. ^ Robertson, Jennifer (2018-01-16). "Exploring Japan's 'genderless' subculture". CNN. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  11. ^ Rich, Motoko (2017-01-05). "With Manicures and Makeup, Japan's 'Genderless' Blur Line Between Pink and Blue". The New York Times. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  12. ^ Clarke, Ashley (2016-02-23). "exploring genderless kei, harajuku's online fashion revival". I-D. Vice. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  13. ^ Robertson, Jennifer (2018-01-16). "Exploring Japan's 'genderless' subculture". CNN. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  14. ^ a b Freeman, Ellen (2016-06-22). "Japan's "Genderless Kei" Trend Is About So Much More Than Just Fashion". Refinery29. Retrieved 2022-07-24.
  15. ^ Clarke, Ashley (2016-02-23). "exploring genderless kei, harajuku's online fashion revival". I-D. Vice. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  16. ^ Robertson, Jennifer (2018-01-16). "Exploring Japan's 'genderless' subculture". CNN. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  17. ^ a b c Rich, Motoko (2017-01-05). "With Manicures and Makeup, Japan's 'Genderless' Blur Line Between Pink and Blue". The New York Times. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  18. ^ a b c d Hernon, Matthew (2017-09-26). "'Genderless' model Satsuki Nakayama cashes in on androgyny trend". The Japan Times. Retrieved 2020-03-06.
  19. ^ "ジェンダーレス男子って、どう思う? 街の声は「あり」が大半占める【世代別直球インタビュー】". Oricon (in Japanese). 2016-05-27. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  20. ^ "中山咲月がトランスジェンダー＆無性愛者公表「性別の枠超えご覧頂けたら」". Nikkan Sports (in Japanese). 2021-08-16. Retrieved 2021-09-24.
  21. ^ Rich, Motoko (2017-01-05). "With Manicures and Makeup, Japan's 'Genderless' Blur Line Between Pink and Blue". The New York Times. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  22. ^ "イケメン読モXOX、メジャーデビューへ 体重38キロ"とまん"ら5人組". Oricon (in Japanese). 2015-07-08. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  23. ^ "話題の"ジェンダーレス男子"とまん、極細ウエスト披露 美腹筋×へそピアスに視線集中". Model Press (in Japanese). 2015-05-14. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  24. ^ "Tokyo-based website offers 'genderless' clothing alterations". The Japan Times. 2017-05-15. Retrieved 2020-03-06.
  25. ^ "チュート徳井、念願の"ジェンダーレス"役に歓喜「前からやってみたいと思っていた」". Oricon (in Japanese). 2017-06-22. Retrieved 2021-03-16.
  26. ^ "天堂きりん×吉岡里帆の「きみ棲み」対談がフィーヤンに、次号ためこう新連載". Natalie (in Japanese). 2018-01-06. Retrieved 2021-03-15.
  27. ^ Nakamura, Mirai (2018-02-03). "『桜蘭高校ホスト部』『セーラームーン』『ベルばら』…ジェンダーレスな漫画キャラの魅力を解析！". Da Vinci (in Japanese). Media Factory. Retrieved 2021-03-15.


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