Talk:Genealogy of Jesus/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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• writing
  • prose OK but some tricky language
  • wikilinks all correct, missing ones added mostly, see below. Y
  • no linked dates Y
  • consistent citation "cite" Y
  • no contractions Y
  • quotes are cited Y
  • Is ʻ correct style in Arabic names?
  • Section header caps correct Y
  • Lead is a summary Y
  • Lead content is in article Y
  • Image size spec removed Y
  • No text sandwich Y
  • Left aligned image not at section start Y
  • external links in external links (apart from Bible verse reference) Y
  • Images have captions Y
  • missing book publication dates:
    • De consensu evangelistarum (C 400); Y
    • On the Flesh of Christ; (De Carne Christi...best lead so far: http://www.nndb.com/people/741/000071528/)
    • Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Ephesians;
    • Epiphanius of Salamis, Panarion; John of Damascus, De fide orthodoxa;
    • Bede, In Lucae evangelium expositio; Origen, Contra Celsum;
    • Anne Catherine Emmerich, The Life of the Blessed Virgin Mary;
    • Qur'an;
    • Julian the Apostate, Against the Galileans;
    • Augustine of Hippo, Contra Faustum (Reply to Faustus); Y (C 400 per http://www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/250-augustine-hippo#Faustus)
    • Augustine of Hippo, Sermon 1;
    • Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica;
    • Clement of Alexandria, Stromata; Irenaeus, Adversus haereses
  • Reference 66 and 77 and 78 are deficient and unclear
  • book publication locations are missing for
    • ref 43: Adversus Judaeos: a bird's-eye view of Christian apologiae until the Renaissance;
    • ref 91 Louis Finkelstein (1970), The Jews: Their History;
    • ref 82 Frederick Dale Bruner, Matthew: The Christbook, Matthew ;
    • ref 80 Pseudo-Hilary, Tractate 1, apud Angelo Mai, ed. (1852), Nova patrum bibliotheca;
    • ref 43 and 46 A. Lukyn Williams (1935), Adversus Judaeos: a bird's-eye view of Christian apologiae until the Renaissance;
    • ref 14 Géza Vermes (2006), The Nativity;
    • ref 14 as well: Raymond E. Brown (1973), The Virginal Conception and Bodily Resurrection of Jesus;
  • List problems; ref 73 John Lightfoot (1859) [1663], Horæ Hebraicæ et Talmudicæ; ref 68 Arthur Charles Hervey (1853), The Genealogies of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ; ref 11 Bruce Manning Metzger (1971), A textual commentary on the Greek New Testament;
    • Desposyni has unnumbered list that could be prose.
    • Explanations for divergence has numbered list that could be prose.
  • Century used correctly Y
  • Unclear abbreviation in "Goodyear, AZ" US centric.
  • Two unnecessary uses of "recent" should be removed
  • A couple of sentences that start with the words "There are" that should be made more active.
  • weasel words: "regarded by many"
  • informal wording: "though" ?
  • vague terms: 3 of "various"; 6 of many; over a dozen uses of "several" when a particular number should be used; 1 "long period"; 5 "a number of"
  • deprecated words: 1 "circa" ; 2 uses of "upon" ; 2 of "lack"
  • redundant wording: two of "in order to" replace with "to".

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   There is still one citation needed on the end of Genealogy of Jesus#Levirate marriage

   There is still one "who" explanation needed in Genealogy of Jesus#Levirate marriage

   Section on Luke paragraph 4 needs a ref to support idea of Jesus' universal mission

   Section on Women paragraph 2 needs a ref to support the idea why women were included

   Section on Women paragraph 3 needs 2 refs to support the idea that the women were sinful, and gentiles.

   Section on Women paragraph 4 needs a ref to support the idea of Matthew's emphasis on virgin birth, don't just rely on primary source self evidence.

   Is the Epiphanian view from Epiphanius of Salamis?

   Who created the Hieronymian view?

   Section on fulfillment needs a ref to support conclusion that there is no garantee that the Messiah descended from Solomon.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments on review

"Deprecated words"? I don't see what's wrong with using the words "circa", "upon", or "lack". I also feel that the word "though" is acceptable, though any suggested variation from WP:S&W could also work. Thanks for the review, Graeme Bartlett. ...but what do you think? ~BFizz 08:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't care much for these deprecated words, it was just in the review instructions that I used. GA achievement is now far more difficult than it was a couple of years ago when I did the last review for GA. I feel that all these issues are minor and can be readily sorted out. Are you going to assist Mr Fizz? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Assist in the review, or in fixing up the article? Probably a little bit of the latter. ...but what do you think? ~BFizz 14:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Book publication dates

I started working on finding the publication dates for books listed here. How accurate do they need to be? For the early Christian books, or for the Qur'an, should we cite the book itself or an English translation with a more recent (and more easily determinable) publication date? For some of these, we should probably specify that the text is found in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers. ...but what do you think? ~BFizz 03:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I thin the original date, and if there is an online version that is a translation, then the info about the translation as well. Then the exact source can be determined, as well as its significance. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC)