Talk:Genesee County, Michigan

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I have absolutely no clue as to what all the tables in the center of the article are trying to communicate. History of the townships in the county? Still it is very unclear and a huge detriment to the article and I will be removing them soon if some clarification is not forthcoming. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Presidential Election Results Table??

Every other county on Wikipedia has one. Can someone with the resources available please create?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustinSFCA (talk • contribs) 09:19, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

I added presidential election results dating back to 1960. Please help with aesthetics of the page!!!

I don't know how to use HTML markup to make the table go where I want it to go. Could someone with more experienced editing skills put the table in the Politics section? Or delete the politics section and slip it somewhere in the government section? That would be awesome. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustinSFCA (talk • contribs) 15:21, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Millage

@John from Idegon:: "Then add an overview of all millages for all time. its news, you know it." I do not see how passing millage is "news" as this is not just a passing event (and not a current event) as these millage have multi-year effects thus historical. As say the animal control millage is now paying for an approved bond for the county's planned animal shelter expansion. Having an overview then would still be news (according to your standard) just hidden else where in the article. On the other hand admitting that it could go in an article at all indicates that it is more than news. --Spshu (talk) 17:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

And how is any of this informative for anyone but a local person? We do not write settlement articles for locals; they are not a town bulletin board. Unless an item is subject of widespread and long lasting coverage (which is indicative of widespread interest. There is a reason the Washington Post, the LA Times or the Louisville Courier-Journal does not cover Genesse County millage issues.), it does not belong. Again, and I cannot say this enough, is there any reason to think that a single millage issue speaks to the general English speaking population of the world on the general subject of this county? Both WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTEVERYTHING apply. Keep in mind that WP:NOT is a pillar policy. John from Idegon (talk) 19:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I have not make the article a "town bulletin board" that would be like listing the senior citizen dance on Saturday and the American Legion's euchre tournament on Friday. The county itself would then fail to have any thing written about it and it would be a utter blank page. As population, the official there of the county at all either. You should there for asking for the deletion of Port Huron Northern High School instead of even editing it as not a single source is from any major paper like you list above.

Bring up major newspaper is applying NOTABILITY which applies as to whether or not a subject gets an article and doesn't apply to the content. Most every thing through those major paper is news, but you are using NOTNEWS to against everything. But any historical event had to have been a news article as newspaper are some the most reliable sourcing we get. Spshu (talk) 20:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

The fact that municipalities and counties in Michigan levy property taxes on a millage basis, and that they have various different levies, is run-of-the-mill stuff. We shouldn't mention a specific one unless there's something specifically controversial about it. It's similar to covering car accidents on highway articles; unless there's something special, we just don't. Imzadi 1979 → 00:05, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I missed your response, @Imzadi1979:. The whole article could then be considered "run-of-the-mill", that it has an area, a courthouse, population, was founded, has highways through the county, have officials, voted for US President, etc. Car accidents impact few and are one time events and I agree that is news. Millage last for years and effect everyone. NOTNEWS is not NOTANYTHING. History is always formerly the news. Spshu (talk) 21:09, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I agree with John from Idegon, millage information such as you're adding Spshu doesn't belong in an article like this. It's too local without wider context. The other various details provides geographic context for the location of the county and how it connects to the rest of the state, historical context for when it was founded and organized, and how the overall politics of the government run. Imzadi 1979 → 22:04, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Except for the fact that his reason notability was debunked (WP:NLISTITEM). And you don't agree with John from Idegon, as he was fine with a list of millages levied: "Then add an overview of all millages for all time.", so I took it that the list would be OK with him. NOTNEWS is not very clear decider. Others do look at what other units of governments do (or what not to do). Some one move to Genesee County might be interest in the millage rates. There is no "historical context" for founding most counties or municipalities in most of these articles including this one. So, I cannot reveal that the over all politics of the county is to approve millage after millage? Spshu (talk) 20:55, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I do not support any inclusion of tax rates. Its news and this is not a newspaper. John from Idegon (talk) 21:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)