Talk:Genocides in history (21st century)

Page Edits And History Removed

Edits to this page are being removed inclusive of revision history. This appears to be a a censorship of information based on the biases of the editor. 184.101.12.14 (talk) 14:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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Israel vs Palestine

I have seen that the section containing Israel's genocide against Palestine is biased. And I don't say it subjectively.

Right now, the section containing Israel's crimes is written using language such as "some people claim that...", while the section containing Palestine's/Hama's is written using language such is "the commited several crimes".

So, to be clear, according to the wikipedia editor that edited that last part, what Israel does is only "according to certain people", yet, what Palestine did was presented as facts.

My recommendation is to use the same language for both.

Also, I wanna recommend the book Gaza: an inquest into its martyrdom by Norman Finkelstein to anyone interested in knowing more. Blanca Lap (talk) 14:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Norman Finkelstein is more of an activist than a neutral political scientist, and is thus questionable as a neutral source. Hamas did a live broadcast of their attacks and massacres against civilians on October 7, and this is a proven fact. Israel is bombarding the Gaza strip. You therefore need to clarify what exactly bothers you about the wording.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 12:38, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

The section discussing a possible genocide by Israel couches the genuinely serious accusations and figures within more (comparatively) minor accusations. Israel is accused of committing genocide due to their " anti-Palestinianism, Islamophobia, anti-Arab racism and the proposal to annex the West Bank", and are accused of using dehumanizing language, rather than any violence against Palestinians. When violence against Palestinians is mentioned, it's skimmed over. No one advocating this narrative is spoken of as an expert.

Comparatively, the potential genocide against the Israeli is framed in terms of action and intent. Hamas has committed numerous war crimes, they intend to "destroy, in whole or in part, a national group". This, alongside the reference to "over 100 international experts", frames one claim of genocide as credible and the other as insignificant.

It also does not mention the multiple accusations of war crimes committed by the IDF, including those from the international criminal court, South Africa's case for considering the conflict a genocide, the significant disparity in civilian casualties, or any other source that would lend credibility to the Palestinian case.

I know Wikipedia isn't supposed to be neutral, but it's obviously biased. 2601:1C0:5C00:3D20:85A3:C055:2D:3B82 (talk) 08:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I would suggest adding a reference to the ongoing ICJ case against Israel. The court has not found evidence of Israel committing genocide, allowed them to continue fighting as they were, and has instructed both them and Hamas to take measures to prevent the threat of a genocide. that is why Israel is only "accused" of genocide, while Hamas, who's leaders stated on live tv they will redo oct.7 over and over again until Israel is destroyed, are presented as undoubtedly genocidal. 2A00:A041:31A0:7200:D0B5:2849:F1B8:90A1 (talk) 09:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree, and wanted to add that a simpler recommendation than viewing a book could be integrating some of the facts quoted in the related articles of this part, such as this one.

Given the high controversy around this topic, and given that there are facts (as shown in the related articles) that could provide a more balanced point of view but aren't represented here, it seems obvious that this section is at the very least biased. Kadkod (talk) 19:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

The fact that the americans threatened to invade the haag if the ICJ didn't act the way they want it tells everything you need to know about its reliability as a source. 2A02:A03F:63D8:1C01:D8B6:1BC5:9D4:8F59 (talk) 11:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

This is obviously the case. I've just come across this article and must say I was shocked that section was left the way it was when I saw how long ago the above request was made. There is nothing to add.

The response from 16 December 2023 ignores a few basic facts everyone viewing this talk page should be familiar with at this point:

1. The IDF does live broadcasts, TikTok uploads, and so on, of its widely-documented atrocities.

2. Israel is not just "bombarding the Gaza Strip", which is very vague and potentially euphemistic language for indiscriminate mass bombardment of civilian areas, including refugee camps and civilian infrastructure and public service buildings such as hospitals, schools, shelters etc.

3. In science and academia, there is no such thing as a "neutral" source. There are sources - that's it. It's up to the editor to provide sources that actually establish a fact or set of facts or strengthen an argument or a line of argumentation. It's up to the reader (before publication, a peer who goes through the claims made and sources given in the article) to judge whether or not the sources are adequate. Not only is Prof. Finkelstein's work - controversial though he may be as a person - well-sourced and well-argued, it also does not strive to be "neutral", because academic worth their salt does. Therefore, to dismiss his work as biased while in the same breath defending the clearly tendentious (I would argue: denialist) language of the Israel-Palestine section of the article serves no productive purpose whatsoever as far as the suggested edit is concerned. JulesEv (talk) 20:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

"We will eliminate everything"

This is a mistranslation and misinformation. The actual quote is Gaza will not return to what it was before. There will be no Hamas. We will eliminate it all. [1] --Hob Gadling (talk) 11:30, 23 January 2024 (UTC)