Talk:Georg Andreas Böckler

Birth and death years

The birth and death years are inconsistent on here and on the de-version (see de:Georg Andreas Böckler). I think I can see why (the en-version is an earlier, 'years active' range and later research has uncovered the more precise dates in the de-version). But I'm not 100% sure, so leaving it here so others can see what they think. I also asked about this here (old page version of an editor assistance request, dynamic version that will be archived is here). Carcharoth (talk) 10:49, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

It appears the German WP is relying on von Liliencron (tho it's not explicitly cited to the b/d dates). Have you asked if anybody has a copy & can read German, to confirm? TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 10:44, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

If I notice this problem from the Latin Vicipaedia, as I fairly often do, I tend to assume that de:wiki is more likely to be accurate than en:wiki, but still not enough to trust. In this case, the dates given by de:wiki appear to be borrowed from this external link. But, crucially, the external page (never mind whether we think it's reliable) puts the word "um" ("about") before each date. So in fact the external page isn't vouching for the accuracy of the dates, and it looks to me as if de:wiki shouldn't be doing so either.

For all that, our suggested birth date 1644 seems highly unlikely. If Böckler published a book such as is described at the age of twenty, he was a genius indeed.

No, Trekphiler, the dates don't come from von Liliencron. That article is on wikisource (s:de:ADB:Böckler, Georg Andreas) and it dates Böckler vaguely to "second half of the 17th century". Andrew Dalby 11:34, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to you both for posting these suggestions. Would you be able to look at the following and see what you think?

• (1) Entries for Böckler in the Mark J. Millard Architectural Collection, with that volume published in 1998. "Comprised of nearly 750 volumes housed at the National Gallery of Art, the Millard Collection is one of the finest private collections of rare illustrated books and bound series of prints on European architecture, design, and topography. This series catalogues each of these beautiful and influential books, carefully describing and illustrating them." So that seems a reliable source.
• (2) See footnote 2 on page 253: from a biographical monograph on Johann Christoph Sturm, Volume 22 of Acta historica astronomiae, from the German academic publisher Harri Deutsch Verlag. Again, seems reliable.

If someone could translate that footnote in the second source, that seems to be explaining where the 1698 date comes from (it was a posthumous publication of one of his works, a common source of confusion when using 'active' dates where birth and death years are uncertain). My conclusion here is that the birth year is almost certainly 'circa' (i.e. not known with precision), but that the exact death date is known. Carcharoth (talk) 06:13, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

The relevant section of (2) : The many references to dates of 1644-1698 originate from Renate Wagener-Rieger reprint of 1968, which only speaks of being "traceable" in this period.. This fits with the comments at http://www.furnologia.de/furnologia/a_hauptseiten/furnologia_begriff.htm which states "appears" in Strasbourg during these dates. Footnote on (2) goes on to mention time in Nuremburg and Frankfurt am Main.--Traveler100 (talk) 06:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Might it be best to replace this stub with something translated from the German Wikipedia, adding in the sources being discussed here and anything in this article that isn't in the German one? I've also asked over there (on the German article talk page), so we might get someone from there turning up here. Carcharoth (talk) 07:30, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

For now, I've made this edit. Carcharoth (talk) 05:49, 6 July 2012 (UTC)