Talk:George Elphinstone Dalrymple

Claims of attribution of cannibalism

@Dippiljemmy: I have reverted your spurious claim (a violation of WP:V) that Dalrymple made 'claims' of cannibalism with "language designed to attribute the violence of the British colonisers of northern Queensland onto the colonised".

The reference that you used on page 11 says "And in imperial discourses the attribution of cannibalism displaced the violence of colonisers onto the colonised".

It would appear quite clear that the reference cannot be used to infer any imputation regarding what was stated in Dalrymples' journal.

Please discuss so we can reach a consensus. David.moreno72 12:32, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dippiljemmy: (I've added the edit description here) I don't make any spurious claims, just added a secondary source that talks specifically of how colonists of northern Queensland dehumanised the local Aboriginal population through tropes of cannibalism. The reference talks specifically of Dalrymple and Elphinstone throughout the book.

Hi @Dippiljemmy:. Please respect the WP:BRD cycle and do not revert until a consensus has been reached. Could you please quote the reference that specifically relates to the claims you are making. Could you specifically quote the reference where, as you said in the edit description that what Dalrymple said in his journal "dehumanised the local Aboriginal population through tropes of cannibalism". Are you saying that it was fabricated? Perhaps even provide a supporting reference that backs up the claim.

I look forward to having a fruitful and amicable discussion.

Thank you David.moreno72 09:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dippiljemmy: (I've added the edit description here) Vandalism, especially that which promotes the cannibalism tropes of colonial times without explanation, deserves rapid reversal and reporting.

Hi @Dippiljemmy:. Thank you for your comments. Could you please quote the reference, or a new reference that clearly supports your assertion that the entries in Dalrymples' journal 'promotes the cannibalism tropes of colonial times' and is a fiction. David.moreno72 10:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

North East Coast expedition of 1873

As per the discussion at the Palm Cove, Queensland talk page, the following text has WP:OR issues.

On the mainland opposite, at a place later known as Palm Cove, Johnstone administered a "severe lesson" to the resident Aboriginal people who attempted to stop him from accessing a lagoon. Dalrymple "heartily rejoiced" at the punishment inflicted, and in language designed to attribute the violence of the British colonisers of northern Queensland onto the colonised, they labelled the Indigenous inhabitants as "bloodthirsty bullying scoundrels" claiming "unmistakable evidences of wholesale habitual cannibalism" with "heaps of human bones and skulls found in each camp, and in some, roasted and partially eaten bodies were found beside the fires at which they had been cooked..and the flesh and part of the skeletons of four men (blacks) of whom they had eaten".

I would like to propose that the following text be used instead.

On the mainland opposite, immediately after landing at a place later known as Palm Cove, a large number of Aboriginal people came out of their camps, and attempted to prevent the groups passage to the lagoon. It was only when the Aboriginal people were poised to throw their spears that they were repulsed by gunfire. After discovering the "unmistakable evidences of wholesale habitual cannibalism", such as "roasted and partially eaten bodies" in the camps of the Aboriginal people, all of the group "heartily rejoiced at the severe lesson which their unwarrantable hostility had brought upon them"

Any comments or suggestion would be appreciated. David.moreno72 10:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

per WP:TALKDONTREVERT, as there has been no objections or counter proposals consensus has been achieved by WP:SILENCE. Changes will now be implemented. David.moreno72 09:23, 6 May 2021 (UTC)