Talk:George Romney
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Ha! I was just coming to add the bit about the cousin five times removed myself after reading this.
Requested move
edit- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
George Romney → George Romney (disambiguation) – The Michigan governor, auto executive, and father of Mitt Romney is the very clear primary topic 20:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- Also, looking at hits, the painter got 1942 in August, whereas the governor got 20,000 in August. So the governor outhit the painter 10-1. There has been an argument that this may be due in part to recentism; but I refute that by pointing out that the governor has considerable notability aside of his son, and that the governor isn't any "flash in the pan" that is the main target of recentism. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 22:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- Support as nom Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 20:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose as effects of WP:RECENTISM due to the U.S. Republican presidential primary elections. Both Google Books and What links here suggest that the painter is still very prominent. older ≠ wiser 21:07, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- I think the links argument is somewhat weak, because in direct links to their actual articles, the painter has 159; the governor has more than 400. Therefore, of those two, 70% of the incoming links go to the governor. Not to mention that the governor is 10x as hit as the painter. Furthermore, I don't think you can chalk it all up to recentism...George Romney is quite a notable man in his own right; he isn't just notable for being Mitt Romney's dad. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 22:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- You're missing the point of checking what links here. The number of links to the disambiguated titles is mostly irrelevant. What does provide some indication of ambiguity is what links editors add to the undisambiguated title. That provides an indication of that editors linking to the undisambiguated term expect. The point of RECENTISM is that the painter has been remained prominent for a very long time and outside the U.S. the painter is very likely better known than the governor. older ≠ wiser 23:13, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not buying your argument that the painter is more well known outside the U.S. unless you can present evidence Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 00:05, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- Look at how many books have been written about or contain information on the painter versus the politician. Also, look at Google results for other countries, such as UK or Australia or New Zealand or India or South Africa. Even the U.S. Google has about even mixed results for the top hits. older ≠ wiser 00:27, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not buying your argument that the painter is more well known outside the U.S. unless you can present evidence Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 00:05, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- You're missing the point of checking what links here. The number of links to the disambiguated titles is mostly irrelevant. What does provide some indication of ambiguity is what links editors add to the undisambiguated title. That provides an indication of that editors linking to the undisambiguated term expect. The point of RECENTISM is that the painter has been remained prominent for a very long time and outside the U.S. the painter is very likely better known than the governor. older ≠ wiser 23:13, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- I think the links argument is somewhat weak, because in direct links to their actual articles, the painter has 159; the governor has more than 400. Therefore, of those two, 70% of the incoming links go to the governor. Not to mention that the governor is 10x as hit as the painter. Furthermore, I don't think you can chalk it all up to recentism...George Romney is quite a notable man in his own right; he isn't just notable for being Mitt Romney's dad. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 22:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose. I'm the primary author of the George W. Romney article, and I looked at this question a couple of years ago when I started rewriting it and bringing it to GA status. In the U.S. the automaker/politician is the better known, but in the rest of the world the painter is the better known. Recentism and U.S.-centrism aside, there is no primary topic here. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:20, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose. Mitt's dad is "George W. Romney". The painter is "George Romney." Two people, two names. The painter should be moved to "George Romney". Kauffner (talk) 07:56, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with those above the painter is a significant enough figure that there is no primary topic. Jenks24 (talk) 17:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Move discussion in progress
editThere is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:George Romney (painter) - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 19:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)