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USS Liberty Incident
editI have removed the following from the article:
- In 1967 he was the rear admiral commanding the nearest US Navy carrier task force to the USS Liberty Incident when it was attacked by Israeli war planes. In response Rear Admiral Morrison ordered American fighter planes, which could reach the USS Liberty in 15 minutes, to fly to its defense; however, his order was over-ruled by John S. McCain Jr., the commander of US Naval forces in Europe. Morrison would later vehemently oppose the official report into the incident, which cleared Israel of any malicious intent, and despite being the youngest Rear Admiral at the time, Mr. Morrison never attained a higher rank.
This might be interesting and relevant information, but it needs a better source than that blog (which also e.g. describes Ernst Zündel as a "political prisoner" suppressed by an Orwellian regime). See WP:RS. Regards, HaeB (talk) 06:34, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- Good call - looks more than a bit dicey. Googling USS Liberty+George Stephen Morrison yields nothing valuable. Doc talk 07:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Reviving this discussion because it looks like there is some dispute about whether to keep this discussion in the article. I'm hesitant to consider a personal blog that only cites another personal blog as a reliable source, without other indicators of reliability. I can't find any better source for that claim. I think we should leave this claim out unless someone can support it with a better source. LlamaInASuit (talk) 05:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- @LlamaInASuit: The section you removed appears to be;
In 1967, in one article in the British paper, The Telegraph, it is unofficially reported by some that Morrison vehemently opposed the US response to, and findings of, the USS Liberty incident (when Israeli fighter planes and torpedo boats attacked an American ship, killing 34 and wounding 171 crew) which exonerated Israel of malice. Morrison did not rise in rank again after his outspoken criticism of Israeli intentions.[1]
References
- ^ silurian (9 June 2009). "The USS Liberty Incident". The Telegraph. Archived from the original on 10 July 2014.
- The attached source is the Daily Telegraph, which is listed at WP:RSP as a reliable source. The source referred to in that article is lewrockwell.com (see: Lew Rockwell), which also appears to be a reliable source. Can you confirm, and then clarify some more? - wolf 06:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Thewolfchild: The source is a personal blog at my.telegraph.co.uk (the Telegraph's personal blogging platform), rather than an article published in the Telegraph itself. So like an article published by a Forbes contributor, rather than an article by the Forbes staff, I'd treat this as a personal blog. And the cited source from Lew Rockwell does not mention Morrison. So this doesn't look like a reliable source to me. What are your thoughts? Thanks! LlamaInASuit (talk) 14:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- I didn't have an opinion either way, I was just seeking some clarification. Thanks for the reply. - wolf 21:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Thewolfchild: The source is a personal blog at my.telegraph.co.uk (the Telegraph's personal blogging platform), rather than an article published in the Telegraph itself. So like an article published by a Forbes contributor, rather than an article by the Forbes staff, I'd treat this as a personal blog. And the cited source from Lew Rockwell does not mention Morrison. So this doesn't look like a reliable source to me. What are your thoughts? Thanks! LlamaInASuit (talk) 14:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- This is a rumor started as best I can determine, by this Army General, also named Morrison, and his complaints about Israel attacking a US military vessel.
- https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jul/16/2002804236/-1/-1/0/MEMO_RECORD_USS_LIBERTY.PDF 162.194.141.247 (talk) 12:51, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Picture of Jim Morrison in 1963?
editI have reason to doubt that the picture of Jim Morrison with his father on the bridge of the USS Bon Homme Richard was taken in 1964. At that point his son would be 20 or 21 years old & was almost finished with his college education. Although I don't know what his relationship was like as of then with his father, he would claim his parents were dead some 3-4 years later in a bio-press release by The Doors' record company. Also, his haircut in the picture appears too extreme (short) for him at that point in his life. Finally, he looks too young in the picture for a 20 or 21 year old. Anybody else have additional input or a correction? Thanks... Dirty Dan the Man (talk) 02:41, 19 July 2019 (UTC)Dirty Dan the Man (talk) 03:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
- Jim certainly doesn't look 20 years old in the picture. It's hard to be sure but to my eye he looks more like 11 to 14 years of age. O'Dea (talk) 11:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)