Talk:George V

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Liberal Peers - but not to pass the Budget

The article stated that the King had privately told Asquith that he would not agree to mass creation of peers to pass the budget until the Liberals had won two elections. This makes no sense as Lansdowne had been explicitly clear, even in the wording of the Lords' motion, that the lack of a public mandate was their excuse for blocking the budget (and they let it pass without a whimper in April 1910). It was probably my fault when I wrote up that section a decade or so ago.

Neither Gordon Murray's study of the 1909 Budget nor Neal Blewett's 400 page tome on the 1910 elections make any mention of a mooted creation of peers to pass the Budget.

The Lords had been infuriating the Liberal Party by blocking their legislation - Gladstone's Second Home Rule Bill in 1893 and most of their legislation since 1905. However, the Liberal Cabinet weren't agreed on what to do about it - most wanted to replace the Lords' veto with a delaying power, as Campbell-Bannerman had declared an intention to do in 1907. Other leading Liberals like Edward Grey wanted to change the composition of the Lords. In the end Asquith obtained a consensus for the former, appeasing the latter group with the famous preamble to the 1911 Parliament Act promising that the reform is just a temporary measure pending the replacement of the Lords with an elected Upper House (stop sniggering at the back). But that didn't happen until later in the year. So I've just put "creation of peers to allow passage of Liberal legislation" as the Liberals hadn't yet decided exactly what to do about the Lords in January 1910. Paulturtle (talk) 23:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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