Talk:Georgia (country)/Requested move - May 2004

Hey AllI have added a poll to the Talk:Georgia regarding the moving of Georgia (country) to Georgia. Please go vote, non binding, all the rest. I am simple seeing who out there is still interested in this topic and I don't want to do something preemtively. 24.68.208.246 21:02, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Hm. Should the titles here be moved to "Blah of Georgia", ignoring the ambiguity with the US state Georgia? -- April

Georgia the country is an independent political entity, Georgia the state is nothing more than an internal political subdivision of the US. Plus, Georgia the country has been called that since long before the state even existed. Georgia the country is the more important meaning, internationally, and hence if there is an ambiguity conflict preference should be given to the country. -- SJK

Are you sure?? The country began in 1991 and the state began in the eighteenth century, which ended in 1799. 66.32.69.62 22:55, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm... weak argument. History of Georgia states, "The recorded history of Georgia dates back more than 4,000 years and the Georgian language is one of the oldest living languages in the world."

That is as may be, but which will be the number one search subject? That's the important question. -- Zoe

Searching for 'Sakartvelo' does not find this page (as it should). -- ignatios

I agree that ambiguity conflict preference should be given to the country. However, vis-a-vis the relative "importance of meaning", it behooves me as an immigrant to the U.S. state of Georgia (from the U.S. State of New York) that the state is 60% more populous than the country and WAS declared a Free and Independent State along with the remainder of the original 13 in 1776. Also it's a close call as to who produced the most famous native (I.V. Dzugashvili v. J.E. Carter)...

I think I.V. Dzugashvili had a slightly bigger impact on history than J.E. Carter... :-) -- ChrisO 09:54, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I suggest moving Georgia (country) to Georgia and the disambiguation page from Georgia to Georgia (disambiguation). Whether we do so or not, the U.S. state will still be at Georgia (U.S. state); if someone is looking for information on the U.S. state and searches for "Georgia", they will still have to click an extra link. As a precedent, consider Luxembourg, which isn't called "Luxembourg (country)" despite the existence of Luxembourg (province of Belgium). —Bkell 09:42, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Or, for that matter, Azerbaijan (both a country and a province of Iran). It's a good point. The US state should clearly be subordinate in hierarchy to the country. Your proposal sounds very sensible. -- ChrisO 23:17, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There is a similar discussion at Talk:Georgia -- User:Docu

Please see Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(places)#Hierarchy_of_place_names_and_disambiguation_guidelines for a proposed rule on disambiguation hierarchies - if adopted it would provide a consistent basis for what to call identically-named geographic areas of differing levels of status (including the two Georgias). -- ChrisO 11:42, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have to concur here with the consensus. Georgia (country) is the preëminent political entity, cultural contributor, and influence on world history, when juxtaposed with Georgia (U.S. state). It'd be ignominious to overlook that and place them at parity as if the former weren't those things. I propose, as others have, the establishment of a Georgia (disambiguation) page. That way, access to either page will not be curtailed, but neither will Wikipedia be forced into neglecting its responsibility to providing the more pertinent search (Georgia (country)) the priority it deserves. In short, I'd prefer the Georgia search criterion to result in a redirect to the Georgia (country) page. the neoteric Georgia (disambiguation) page would then be an option listed atop Georgia (country), and from thence, one could select Georgia (U.S. state). Earthliberator 00:02, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I totally agree with Earthliberator to make the Georgia search criterion to result in a redirect to the Georgia (country) page. I would like wikipedians to realize that this is just an issue of a technical usage of theonline encyclopedia than comparing the cultures or histories of two Georgias. It is understandable that this is an English wikipedia and most American users prefer a dab page. However, according to statistics more than 2,000 users per month read the article about the country of Georgia and the state of Georgia gets around 800 readers per month. I don't believe that the cultural and historical aspects should be compared of two Georgias, because there is nothing to compare. The country of Georgia is an ancient hitorical country, has more UN world heritage sites than the State of Georgia, has its own language which is different from all the other languages in the world and etc. This discussion is not a cultural discussion. Making the Georgia search criterion to result in a redirect to the Georgia (country) page is not an underestimation of another beautiful State of Georgia.Sosomk 07:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the fact that this is named 'Georgia (country)' is the perfect example of systemic bias on Wikipedia and makes the encyclopedia look ridiculous. --Joffeloff 10:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)