Talk:Georgia Tech

Requested move 9 February 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 12:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

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Georgia Tech → Georgia Institute of Technology – The Georgia Institute of Technology is the school's official name used in the vast majority of cases. It should be noted that Georgia Tech is only a common abbreviation for the full name of the school, and does not constitute WP:COMMONNAME situation in the Wikipedia Community Guidelines.

The precedent that can be referred to includes the common abbreviation of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology is MIT, but the entry is still the original name. The common abbreviation for The California Institute of Technology is Caltech, but the entry is still the original name. The University of California, Berkeley is often abbreviated as UC Berkeley, but the entry is still the original name.

In the 2019 discussion, some contributors mentioned "Virginia Tech" as a precedent. First, "Virginia Tech" is a rare case of article title usage among U.S. university and college Wikipedia entries. Second, the use of the name "Virginia Tech" is a different case: its original name is too long and contains "and", and is hardly used in general. If you were to ask passers-by on the street in the United States if they knew about the "Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University," they'd probably be confused. But if you mention "Virginia Tech," it will be more likely that they say "oh, I know it." This is where Wikipedia's COMMONNAME guidelines apply. I don't believe it would be appropriate to refer to Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech as precedent here. Cfls (talk) 00:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 05:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. It has not been made clear why this current title does constitute WP:COMMONNAME like the nomination says. Saying it doesn't because it is "only a common abbreviation" is just WP:OFFICIALNAME. If we look at the website, Georgia Tech is far more common than Georgia Institute of Technology. So it isn't apparent what the problem is here, to me at least. --Quiz shows 01:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

  Out of curiosity, I took a look at Ohio State University. There have been multiple past attempts to rename the article The Ohio State University. Interestingly, the most common name used was "Ohio State" and not Ohio State University nor The Ohio State University. Checking the University of Michigan, "Michigan" is more common than University of Michigan. Michigan State University takes a different route and uses "MSU" 17 times over the single use of Michigan State University. University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign does not mention themselves as University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign on their website, but does mention "Illinois" and "U of I" instead. To wrap this up, Pennsylvania State University goes by that name once and by "Penn State" at least 13 times. To sum it up, I don't think that we should be using the website of a university to determine the name that Wikipedia should use. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:46, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

  As a brief follow-up, Reuters has use Georgia Institute of Technology recently outside of sports coverage, A dozen universities contacted by Reuters, including the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, Rice University in Houston and institutions of higher learning in Hungary and Slovakia, did not immediately return messages seeking comment. I checked to see what the AP did, but all I could find that was recent was sports articles. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support I made my arguments last time in the section up the page, but ... Acroterion (talk) 01:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

My point made above is that there is no clear practice concerning popular names for educational institutions, and that there appears to be a sentiment here that "Foo Tech" is obvious common usage, but "Foo State" isn't. I'm not sure why we're drawing the distinction. Acroterion (talk) 02:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. The current title is the common name, just like Virginia Tech, not "Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University". Rreagan007 (talk) 02:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support Many educational institutions are commonly known by some abbreviated nickname and in some case several but this hasn't been the basis for titling the pages in a likewise shortened form as the proposer has shown. Virginia Tech seems to buck that trend but as some people have noted its formal name is quite a mouthful and it's also famous for a school shooting so it is not only famous for strictly educational (or athletic) reasons. If that's the crown jewel example for opposition, I expect more. In any case, anyone looking up Georgia Tech would land on the same page anyway so there aren't any obstacles being imposed for people interested in this school. --Killuminator (talk) 08:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose move. Just as with Virginia Tech, the short name is the common name. O.N.R. ^(talk) 15:39, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:UCN and User:Quiz shows's comment above. It's clear that "Georgia Tech" is not only common but has official imprimatur. All of the subsidiary entities of the institute at Category:Georgia Tech save one use the abbreviated name, even officially (NB e.g. the Georgia Tech Research Institute's articles of incorporation) evidently. —  AjaxSmack  06:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support It is preferable to avoid nicknames for universities in titles. While they may seem common for US TV sports audiences, where nicknames are often used, they are not really as familiar to non-American readers. Walrasiad (talk) 14:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Rreagan007’s comments. Corky 15:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Nobody calls it Massachusetts Institute of Technology either, but that's still what we use. Abbreviations are best avoided for article titles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:36, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

  So shall we move Stanford University to Leland Stanford Junior University and Iowa State University to Iowa State University of Science and Technology because that’s their official names? Corky 21:47, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

  Now, I didn't say we should use the official name, did I? Please don't twist my words. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. "Georgia Tech" is sufficiently common to be the appropriate title IMO. SnowFire (talk) 00:10, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per Rreagan007. Estar8806 (talk) 02:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Georgia Tech is the common name and is used for academics as much as sports. Many university entries use abbreviated names (London School of Economics, Sciences Po, University at Buffalo, Virginia Tech, Stanford University). BojackSanchez12 (talk) 13:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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Good article criteria

This article was first promoted to GA status in 2007, and reassessed in 2009 but since then seems to have slipped. While the prose is fine, the main issue is missing citations. The traditions section has had a refimprove tag since 2010, but more are needed elsewhere. Bneu2013 (talk) 23:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

Georgia Tech

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Result: It has been more than a week, and the outlying issues still remain. Unfortunately, that means that we cannot, in good faith, continue to declare this to meet a standard that it no longer does. That being said, I will be boldly closing this discussion. Bneu2013 (talk) 18:49, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I am nominating this article for GA reassessment. It has been sixteen years since this was promoted, and a lot of issues have accumulated since then. The biggest is a lack of adequate citations, which would be an automatic fail in a GA nomination. There are two {{more citations needed}} tags, one of which has been there since 2010, and has somehow flown under the radar since then. Bneu2013 (talk) 21:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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