Talk:Georgiana Molloy

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/* Husband's involvement in Wardandi massacre */ Removed as it has no relevance to the entry for Georgiana Molloy.

I originally removed this section as it has no relevance to the entry for Georgiana Molloy. It has since been reinstated. The information regarding this event is freely available on the Wikipedia pages for John Molloy and the Bussell family. I have no intention of challenging those entries even though there is a significant lack of evidence to support them. My issue is "why Georgiana?" The author of this section implies that Georgiana ignored the event as there is no reference to it in her writing that survives. We have no idea how much of her writing is lost so it seems unreasonable to assume that an absence of any available evidence is an absence of fact. There is also an implied criticism of previous biographers despite the fact that the most recent biography does in fact reference the events but does not refer to them as a "massacre". A difference of opinion/classification. Finally, why Georgiana? The author provides no evidence that she was actively involved in the events nor participated either before or after the events. Nor is there any evidence that Georgiana supported or condoned the actions. Are we now in a situation where a women is open to criticism simply by association? Are the actions/activities of her husband to be used to impugn her reputation. I suggest this section should be removed from the Georgiana section as it has no relevance here and it is well covered on the John Molloy and Bussell family pages. I have received a warning that I will be blocked by Wikipedia if I continue to dispute this entry and warned that I may have a COI. I can assure that I have no conflict of interest simply an interest in evidence, accuracy and fairness to an outstanding woman in history. RedgateMolloy (talk) 23:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

The section very clearly states that there is no records in what remains of her diaries of the events her husband was involved in. It states that researchers into her life were shocked to find this link, and that subsequent research was critical of the fact that publications ignored this connection and that records of that were unavailable. As for your COI as a publisher of a book you have a conflict in ensuring that your book is cited(publicized) as a reliable source. This also goes to the extent that the article tells the story the same way your book does. Where as on Wikipedia we include all notable views even if they confict with "the official story" in the case Georgiana Molloy that obfuscation of the record are part of what makes her notable. Gnangarra 06:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

/* Husband's involvement in Wardandi massacre */ Should stay as it is highly relevant when discussing Georgiana Molloy's life.

The entry about the massacre talks about Captain Molloy's participation in it and does not state that Georgiana was involved. She did, however, have a husband who led the massacre, her neighbours the Bussells were also perpetrators and the death of her neighbour George Layman was the trigger for this massacre. So Georgiana was living with and surrounded by participants in this massacre. This fact should be noted in her biography and not elided. This massacre is now in the Australia wide Massacre Map being done by Newcastle University and the fact of the massacre and John Molloy's participation in it cannot be disputed. The particular entry on Georgiana's page on the massacre goes into details of two academic papers written by two separate researchers who found out only after many years of research on Georgiana that her husband was involved in this massacre. The work of these two researchers was therefore changed and even disrupted by this knowledge, as they realised that this fact needed to be acknowledged in their work. The fact that they both then wrote two long academic papers about this information coming to light shows that it needs to be taken into account when discussing her life.

Mary Blight (talk) 06:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)