Talk:Georgians in Turkey

Some notes

Georgians in Turkey, includes several groups

1. Autochthonous Georgians of Artvin. They are Muslim. Their autonym simply "Gurji" or rarely they use Chveneburi term.

2. Chveneburi people, immigrant Muslim group. They originally from Batum (Adjaria) or Artvin (or elsewhere from Tao-Klarjeti). They have a lot of villages in Marmara and Black Sea region.

3. Catholic Georgians , they have very small population. And lives in Istanbul and some others in Trabzon. They've a monastery in Istanbul, but no have cleric. Last Georgian priest died in 1981. They had churches, monasteries and schools at Ottoman Era.

4. Georgian Jews, very slightly number. They lives in Istanbul. Formerly, they have a synagogue in Galata, named "Or Hodeş". They migrated mainly to Israel. Remainders have still Georgian surnames (with -şvili ending). But they no interest Georgianity.

5. Georgian expatriates, they came to Turkey for work, after dissolution of soviets. The only Orthodox Group. (Artvin Georgians also formerly orthodox, until the Selim's conquests, 16th century..)

6. Ingilo Georgians from Azerbaijan (from Aliabad?). They lives in a village in Adana, Muslims.

7. The Community of the Solomon II. A former community in Trabzon. Today don't exist. Orthodoxes, probably assimilated in Greeks or migrated to Greece at population exchange between Greece and Turkey, 1923.

... --Emyr93 (talk) 09:25, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Those notes mentioned in main Georgian people article or in here. You could help us enhance this article with referenced notes. elmasmelih (used to be KazekageTR) 10:39, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Right.. but I'm not good at english. Make true sentences hard for me... Da raghatseebi mcdaria statiashi. Chven ar vart martlmadidebelia, es arscori... Tkven icit tu kartuli an turkuli enebi?--Emyr93 (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Çat pat gürcüce anlıyorum ama sanırsam Gürcüce ve Türkçe bazı şeyler buluğunu belirttin. Ortodox falan pek anlamadım ama. elmasmelih (used to be KazekageTR) 17:45, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Hakikaten Gürcüce pek bilmiyorsunuz... Makaledeki bazı şeylerin yanlış olduğundan bahsetmiştim. Religion hanesinde orthodox christianity yazıyor mesela. Ama Türkiye'de varsa bile çok az Gürcü, ortodokstur.. Madde ismini siz değiştirdiniz sanırım? Daha doğru ve kapsamı geniş olmuş.--Emyr93 (talk) 18:26, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Çok az düzeyde biliyorum ben misal naber nasılsın adım şu falan. Uyarı için teşekkürler ufak düzeltme yaptım. Bu arada ben ana Georgian people maddesinde birkaç iyileştirme yaptım Türkiye üzerine, isim değişikliği benim ürünüm değil. elmasmelih (used to be KazekageTR) 18:44, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Erdogan denied being of Georgian origin

Therefore he shouldn't be in the infobox. --Mttll (talk) 10:29, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

But he stated he has a Georgian origin back in 2003. One cant change his/her origin. kazekagetr 17:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

There is no way to verify that. He clearly denied it in 2014, lumping it together with the obviously unfounded rumor that he is of Armenian origin.

In any event, self-identification is a very important part of ethnicitiy; so Erdogan shouldn't be featured in this infobox. --Mttll (talk) 12:17, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

there you go, websites verify that. [1], [2], [3], [4]. kazekagetr 12:35, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

They are just circulating the same rumor (which might be true, I'm not saying it isn't), but there is no first-hand evidence such as an audio or video recording of Erdogan saying he has Georgian origin. On the other hand, there is a video recording of him denying that he has Georgian just a few months ago. Give it up. --Mttll (talk) 08:24, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

'Rumor'? it was on the news in milliyet and zaman which two are popular in Turkey as you know. Also video doesnt gives a special privilege on referencing things though. kazekagetr 17:18, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello?! Erdogan denied it himself in front of all Turkey. What are we even talking about here?

Best case scenario: Erdogan is of Georgian descent, but does not acknowledge it, in which case he shouldn't be featured in this infobox.

Worst case scenario: Erdogan has nothing to do with Georgia, in which case he shouldn't be featured in this infobox.

You don't have a case here. --Mttll (talk) 18:18, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

yeah MJ denied he was a black too back in those days. i say that removal will be done only by a consensus among other users who edit this page. kazekagetr 18:32, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Actually, that doesn't make any sense. I suggest you go read WP:BLP. Let me quote something from there for you: --Mttll (talk) 09:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.

Yeah i know that, i suggest you read it again carefully, ' that is unsourced or poorly sourced ', these sources are valid. Thats why i say that we need consensus. kazekagetr 22:38, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

What those sources say is that Erdogan said he was Georgian in 2004 (which is not independently verifiable), but then said he was not Georgian in 2014 (which is independently verifable). You can't feature Erdogan in Wiki article called Georgians in Turkey based on this. --Mttll (talk) 12:29, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Renaming this to Turkish Georgians?

What about renaming this to Turkish Georgians? Georgians in Iran for example are called Iranian Georgians, as they have a century long presence in the nation, and I think this is to a very large degree the same as in Turkey. I'd like to hear some opinions about this. - LouisAragon (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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Lazs

Adding Lazs to that topic makes no sense. They are not Georgian. As a Georgian from Turkey we call ourselves Chveneburi but we don't include Lazs to that name.

Obviously Lazs and Georgians share same origin. But saying Lazs are Georgians have no meaning none of Lazs don't call themselves as Georgian. And they are not Georgian.

While making this unnecessary behaving you are just offend and decrease Lazs opinion for Georgia. Because they have their own identity and they deserve the respect to that.

Gagimarcos. Meambokhe (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2021 (UTC)