Talk:Gerald Walpin

NPOV tag

The article violates BLP and NPOV by failing to mention Kevin Johnson, Walpin's side of the story in his firing, the Congressional demands for investigation into Walpin's firing, and the reasoning behind the district court's dismissal of the lawsuit, all of which lead to an unfair assessment of Walpin. THF (talk) 22:37, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

On the contrary, giving weight to a faux controversy in a biographical article is what would stray into undue territory. This has been hashed and rehashed a million times over, and is a pet obsession of a prolific sockmaster, Grundle2600. The archives above will show extensive conversation on the matter. Tarc (talk) 23:25, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Why the ad hominem? I'm not Grundle2600. I didn't participate in the earlier discussion. Right now, this article borders on libelous. How hard is it to have a single sentence acknowledging that the firing was controversial, and Walpin's side of the story? It's not like there aren't multiple RS discussing it. You could make the section shorter and still more balanced and convey more accurate information than it does now. THF (talk) 23:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say you were Grundle (though of course I checked to see if you were a new user, as your name was unfamiliar), but you are echoing an edit that he has sought for a long time, which has been soundly rejected by a consensus in the past. Hence the "check the archives" pointer. Tarc (talk) 23:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm making a new argument, and I further note that the recent elections have changed the notability of the issue--nothing in the archive reflects recent November 2010 press coverage. Reduce the section to four or five sentences: (paraphrasing) 1) Walpin was appointed to the IG position by Bush, and dismissed by Obama. 2) Walpin claimed that the firing was politically motivated because of his investigation of Kevin Johnson; Republicans called for an investigation, and have stated that one will take place in 2011; the Obama administration denied any wrongdoing. 3) An investigation of a complaint by the US attorney against Walpin that the Obama administration cited as a reason for the dismissal cleared Walpin of any wrongdoing. 4) Walpin sued over his dismissal, and a district court ruled that the law did not permit judicial review of the executive decision.

I fail to see why any of that is problematic: it's more concise, it's more neutral, it's more fair to Walpin, it conveys more information, and it more accurately conveys what the cited secondary sources (and more recent secondary sources from November 2010) say. THF (talk) 02:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Further NPOV problem: UNDUE

Walpin was a prominent litigator for decades who received nationwide press coverage, but the majority of the article is about the Obama administration's smear of Walpin (without fairly indicating that it was a smear). THF (talk) 02:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

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