Talk:German–Soviet Credit Agreement (1939)/Archive 1

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BetacommandBot 11:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Soviet Goods & Impact Sections

The "Soviet Goods" section is wrong. That's for the 1940 agreement. It came from a letter that used to be cited on this page that was moved to the appropriate article (1940 agreement). This section should probably be deleted.

The "Impact" section is unsourced and contains some not exactly accurate very broad claims. It probably should be deleted, as well.Mosedschurte (talk) 11:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Food fats

I am probably stupid, but what's "food fat"? I understand "importing oil," but "food fat"? It's just weird... Renata (talk) 07:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

A broad category of fat materials used in food. Germany had to import a larger percentage of food fats and food oils. The category would include Vegetable fats and oils and animal fat. Mosedschurte (talk) 07:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Clarification needed

Wording in lead mislead:) Text actually belonged to German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940) which conclued after September 28 1939 endorsment of the 19 agreemant, after long lasted negotiations and discource between both party ended February 5 1940 after Ribbentrope letter. Need to be clarified and all irrelevant text shortened or removed. Thanks Jo0doe (talk) 16:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Renaming/ clarifiaction needed

Per official name - Credit Agreement of August 19, 1939 used many times here Documents On German Foreign Policy 1918 1945 Jo0doe (talk) 09:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Most English sources use the other name [1]. I suggest you revert yourself and open a discussion on a possible renaming.  Dr. Loosmark  14:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed - Most English,German, Russian sources - like

• Documents on German Foreign Policy, 1918-1945. Series D (1937-1945) Washington, D.C.: U.S. Gov. Printing Office, 1949-64,
• Dokumente der Deutschen Politik. Reihe, 1935-1940. 8 Vols. Berlin: Junker und Dunnhaupt Verlag, 1942
• Schwendemann H. Die wirtschaftliche Zusamenarbeit zwischen dem Deutschen Reich und der Sowjetunion von 1938 bis 1941. Berlin, 1993
• ГОД КРИЗИСА 1938-1939 ДОКУМЕНТЫ И МАТЕРИАЛЫ В ДВУХ ТОМАХ ISBN 5-250-01092-X (с) Составитель МИД СССР. 1990

use exact name - Credit Agreement of August 19, 1939 - however it's not a big problem - how it will be named.ThanksJo0doe (talk) 15:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Article need to be completely rewritten

in stile of Anglo-German Naval Agreement - and add "Modern assessment controversy" section – per Ericson data for existing of such three assessment approach-

• add text for "Dispositionsfähigkeit des Geldes" Nazi policy . Briefly mention FDI to Germany

a bunch of really nice sources available even not copyrighted - like [2]- borrowed from Documents on German Foreign Policy, 1918-1945. Series D (1937-1945) Washington, D.C.: U.S. Gov. Printing Office, 1949-64 or

• Hehn, Paul N. (2005), A Low Dishonest Decade: The Great Powers, Eastern Europe, and the Economic Origins of World War II, 1930–1941, Continuum International Publishing Group
• German Industry and German Industrialisation: Essays in German Economic and Business History in the Nineteenth and Twentieth Centuries. W. R. Lee 1991 - Business & Economics
• Nazi Germany and neutral Europe during the second world war : Christian Leitz Manchester University Press
• etc etc etc

instead of really fun for economic and international relations source like

The Condor Legion: German Troops in the Spanish Civil War :))Jo0doe (talk) 10:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Sources misused

Again and in same way as in Basis Nord, German cruiser Lützow (Hipper class), Nazi–Soviet economic relations (1934–1941) (just one first catched instance-[3]).

• Picture Gallery - which all of that pictures are depict here? Again Ju-90 18 build - Me-109G-8 of 1943 (really lack of DDR 1956 workers:)) - if sign picture as here [4] not available - no picture needed at all. Even guess why Anastas Mikoyan not here? Jo0doe (talk) 10:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
• At Wegner, p. 99 [4]

The Credit Agreement between the German Reich and the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics gave the Soviet Union an acceptance credit of 200 million RM over 7 years with an affective interest rate of 4.5 percent. The credit line was to be used during the next two years for purchase of capital goods in Germany and was to be paid off by means of Soviet material shipment from 1946 onwards.

so what given in article?

Wegner, p. 101

Immediately before the outbreak of the war in 1939 the Military Economic Staff in the Wehrmacht (Wehrwirtschaftstab) High Command although thought that Germany could only be really from a blockade on the basis of close economic cooperation with the Soviet Union. in article

The Wehrmacht High Command issued a report that Germany could only be safe from a blockade on the basis of close economic cooperation with the Soviet Union.Jo0doe (talk) 20:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

• in article

On July 25, the Soviet Union and Germany were very close to finalizing the terms of a proposed economic deal

at source given the first few encounters relatively minor. 25 July.. they were still a half percent apart on interest rate (remember - a Credit agreement)Jo0doe (talk) 20:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)