Talk:Rhineland massacres

Very insensitive

For Jews, the 1st crusade was maybe the worst murder of our people in that millennium. It is still mentioned in Jewish liturgy, and to be an apologist for it as parts of this article were, Is incredibly insensitive. Pretty much all of the insensitivities were in the section described as the Jewish response, which is the reason for my edit Jewfurious (talk) 00:38, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I've reverted, as I think you are misreading the section, which is well referenced to specialist scholarship, much of it no doubt by Jewish historians. Johnbod (talk) 02:07, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

"the worst murder of our people in that millennium" An 11th-century crusade as the worst murder of Jews in the 2nd millennium? And what do you think the Holocaust was, some kind of trivial event? Dimadick (talk) 05:59, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Commenting as the author of that portion of the article (and a Jew myself) - this text was written in conjunction with University coursework for a class studying the First Crusades. It is in no way attempting to indict the Rhineland Jews of any wrongdoing in this historical event; it is simply compiling scholarship done on the event's contemporary assessment and its reverberations in Jewish hermeneutics in the centuries following. Thanks for reverting it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.8.32 (talk) 20:16, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Metz or Mainz

The sidebar includes an illustration of a massacre in Metz and lists Metz as one of the locations of the Rhineland massacres. The article identifies Mainz, a major city in the Rhineland, as one of the sites of the Rhineland massacres, with a brief mention of an earlier massacre in the French town of Metz. Sentience (talk) 03:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Failed Verification

I have gone through source material already given in the citation and failed to verify these lines

1. Many people wondered why they should travel thousands of miles to fight "non-believers" when there were already "non-believers" closer to home
2. Many crusaders had to go into debt in order to purchase weaponry and equipment for the expedition; as Western Catholicism strictly forbade usury, many crusaders inevitably found themselves indebted to Jewish moneylenders. Having armed themselves by assuming the debt, the crusaders rationalized the killing of Jews as an extension of their Catholic mission

1. the line …while attempting to force them to convert to Catholicism failed to verify. This line is followed after the lines On top of the general Catholic suspicion of Jews at the time, when the thousands of French members of the People's Crusade arrived at the Rhine, they had run out of provisions. To restock their supplies, they began to plunder Jewish food and property… which is readily verified to the sourced material.

See the respective failed verification spans for the stated reasons. I presume there are other sources that can be used as citations for these lines. I am in doubt whether failed verification template or the template for citation needed is the apt one to be used here. അദ്വൈതൻ (talk) 11:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)