Talk:Vehicle registration plates of Germany

External links

I've just removed the external links section, as the site appears to have been subsumed into some other website and, thus, the links no longer work — they just go to the new site's homepage. The original links were:

• a searchable list of location codes, in German
• a similar list with some additional information
• examples of special governmental plates

— OwenBlacker 21:13, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

The latter two links above are no longer valid. -ThorstenS 06:45, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

on diacritics

There is a line that says that Diacritics are used in car plates. I think this is kind of obvious/not needed information, because The German language is using the diacritics on letters as complete new letter(Umlaut) It would be weird if a place that is written with an umlaut, that the umlaut is not reflected in the car plate.82.83.107.251 (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

I take your point. On the other hand, it's not unknown in Germany for the letters Ä, Ö, and Ü to be written as AE, OE, UE on occasion (especially where older technology -- such as early information display equipment at airports, for example) did not allow the display of umlauted letters: e.g. KOELN for KÖLN, MUENCHEN for MÜNCHEN. I think the observation about diacritics is therefore one that was worth making in the article, and deserves to stay. --Picapica (talk) 15:52, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

commercial external links

Currently there is the link [1] which shows on its page only a copy of this wikipedia arcticle. This link is not worth to be published on this wikipedia article and I keep deleting it. Isn't it possible to block this Internet address for good since it appears again and again after deletion? -Toshi 06:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Same problem with [2]. Very little information and not worth to be listed in this article. But it is coming again and again after deletion. -Toshi 15:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Thorsten , I'll also keep an eye open to keep on deleting it--IsarSteve 15:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd dispute that our link at [3] contains 'very little information'. It contains further additional information and is not a simple copy of the wikipedia page as some are.

If it's your own site, then I don't know that you're in a position to be judging it's usefulness; there's a potential conflict of intrest. More importantly, you shouldn't be adding links to your own site to Wikipedia articles, especially if it's a commercial link (and based on the credit-card logos at the bottom of the site, I'd say that your site is a commercial site). See Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided at point 3. If it's a useful site, be assured that someone else will find it and add it. Finally, I can see from the history of this article that links to your "special plates" site has been deleted several different times by several different people. I think this sends a pretty clear message.

If there is information on your site that would be useful to Wikipedia readers (who come here looking for encyclopediac information), why not just add that information to the article? You'd probably save yourself a lot of trouble and frustration. Wikipedia:New contributors' help page may also help you out. Good luck --Badger151 02:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops: "you shouldn't be adding links to your own site to Wikipedia articles" isn't necessarily clear, is it? I mean that you shouldn't add links to Wikipedia if those links point to your own site. Sorry for any confusion. --Badger151 05:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is our own site, but useful all the same - check it out, there is different and more information than is on the wikipedia page, providing further information on the subject. The link was deleted previously several times by our commercial competitor who has chosen to simply upload to his site a duplicate of the wikipedia article on German plates. We have checked our link everyday to find that it's been replaced by his duplicate article page... and commercial links.

I don't personally dispute its usefulness. I think that the issue is more the potential conflict of intrest. If I am, for instance, J. Michael Stevenson, then I shouldn't be adding text to J. Michael Stevenson, nor should I be adding links to that Wikipedia page that point to my own site. Even if I'm not Mr. Stevenson, if I sell posters of him, though I can (and am encouraged to) add correct (and referenced, if possible) information to his Wikipedia page, I shouldn't be adding links that point to my site, no matter how much useful information I may have. If consumers determine my information to be useful, though, they'll add that link for me, just as they will for you.

The issue of your competitor also bears mentioning in as much as she shouldn't be adding links that point to her site, either. Links to her site have also been removed just as prequently as they have appeared.

Again, I get the sense that this is a subject that you know a lot about - why not just add the information to the Wikipedia article? Or is the real point that you want to increase the traffic to your site? Best, --Badger151 18:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Again there is link from "germanplates.net" appearing. I know from the German Wikipedia that it is possible to blacklist URLs so they can be banned easily for good. Anything else possible in the English version? Otherwise I would appreciate it if more Wikipedians could have an eye on the External links-list. -Toshi 07:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore "germanplates.net" continues to remove our now non-commercial link [4] from the External links list. We have removed all commericial links and references and now simply display a long page of information including a full list of codes and pictures of German plates. - 13:24, 16 January 2007 (CET)

The page "germanplates.net" doesn't contain any further information than the more comprehensive Wikipedia article. And why does the registration offices list ends with "OBB"? What about the rest of the alphabet? BTW, a full list is already accessabel by another entry of external link list. Please read the guidelines about external links, see Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. I wait a few days (avioding edit-war) before I remove the "germanplates.net" again since it gives you in my opinion no further information than what it is already written in the main article and seems just to promote the commercial content of the website. -Toshi 18:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It should be recognised that link [5] is independent to ours. It simply displays a copy of this Wikipedia article but spread over several pages even giving credit to Wikipedia. Our link [6] provides further discussion on German plates and shows a full list (now complete, thanks for the tip Toshi, the file hadn't been fully uploaded to the server and so finished halfway through!). There is no commercial content on our link - I fear there may be confusion again with [7] that does have advertising/product purchase options - 00:26, 17 January 2007 (CET)

Link [8] removed by IsarSteve despite no commercial references on this page. It could then be argued that external link [9] is commercial as the webmaster openly welcomes offers on his collection of plates.

I have cleaned up the external links section and put three links from the German Wikipedia linking to a comprehensive list of all German registration codes. Furthermore the German code lists will be regularly updated. -Toshi 18:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Oval plates

Have seen oval plates displayed on some older German cars in the US. Was this a special plate series for export vehicles picked up at the factory? knoodelhed 10:13, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Correct! The oval plate was an export plate in use until the 1980s??.IsarSteve 13:40, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

American plates

Private vehicles belonging to American Service personnel based in Germany now carry german style number plates starting AD, AF, HK or IF

Do the letters have any sort of meaning/code ??

IsarSteve 12:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

I think I have on the internet the following: AD=Army Dept., AF=Armed Forces, IF=Intern(ational/al) Forces, HK=????. Also the abbreviations are used to destinguish of the use of the car, such as private or offical. But maybe I am totally wrong. -ThorstenS 13:02, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you are... The abbr. were chosen accidentally, they have no meaning at all. AD and AF were just the first compositions consisting of two letters not used by german authorities. For security reasons and for a more "german lookalike' they were changed to IF and HK later. In the future, there won't exist special numbers for US-personnel in Germany anymore. US military staff will get the same number plates, beginning with the code of the district, like german car owners, so that soldier's cars can't be identified as so. strafrechtler 17:44 11.05.2006 EST

In the German article I have moved the section about the American plates to a separate article since the plates are not issued by German authorities. (The do not even bear any German signs like "D" or the European stars). Maybe there should be an article created such as "US car plates abroad" or so here in the English Wikipedia. Any hints? -ThorstenS 11:16, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have moved the section regarding US plates to Car number plates (US Army in Germany). Also I added some information. -Toshi 11:12, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

HK = private cars of US soldiers in germany See here(german site). (was made to hide that they are foreigners)

from 2006 on US-Army personnel and their families get normal german plates from the city they live in! the old plates with HK, AF and AD are not renewed and there's only a few of them left since most personnel only stays in germany for 2 years or gets another vehicle...

IF are Nato plates, as are X plates, Y is german army.

Car number plates

I've noticed that the article is written in British English consistently except for "license plate" and was started by an editor from England. I'll change the title to "German car number plates" and copy-edit the article accordingly. SpNeo 08:04, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

No list?

Hasn't anyone compiled a list of all the Kennzeichen letter combinations? I used to have one or two when I lived there, even listing a few of the obsolete ones! --JohnDBuell | Talk 02:45, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

In the German Wikipedia you find the two lists. One for the currently issued plates and the other one with the obselete but still valid codes. -Toshi 09:58, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm still thinking about adding a list (or several, as the historic codes might be shown as well. Or are they worth a separate page? Jochen64 (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Old plates

Anyone got some infos on old German plates i.e. before the current system was set up? I have seen some older cars with plates with an IA- prefix etc. Thanks Peter

In the German Wikipedia there is a list of historic codes. "IA" was used between 1906 and 1945 on a police vehicle in Berlin or during the time of the GDR (1945-1990) a private car registered in East-Berlin. -Toshi 17:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

East Berlin did not have IA. The GDR system was based on one letter codes, assigned according to their administritive units called Bezirke. In this framework East Berlin was a "Bezirk" and accordingly assigned I. The second letter was arbitrary. So while the combination IA existed, so did IB, IC ... The similarity of some of the codes with the pre-war code may have been intended, but not actually ingrained in the system. Anorak2 (talk) 08:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

IA was in place from 1906 till 1945 for privately owned vehicles in berlin. police had Pol from 1933-1945, before that the must have had the same plates as civilian vehicles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.33.112.93 (talk) 08:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Registration of Vehicles in Germany

I am looking for some information about the registration of vehicles in Germany. Specifically, I am looking for German and English translations of the statutes / ordinances / whatever regulating registrations of vehicles there are.

Please feel free to contact me at the following email address: michael_b_sachs@hotmail.com

Thanks for your help. Michael

The regarding law for this is the "Straßenverkehrszulassungsordnung" [10] (standards about vehicles to be registered, such as what colour does the brake light has and how bright it must be) , partly the "Straßenverkehrsordnung" [11]. I do not know an Englisch version for this laws. Another regulation are the "Anweisungen" (instructions) how to follow the laws. But they are not public as far as I know. They are intended for the work of the officials (like car registration inspectors). If you can tell me your questions I could help more specifics. Or you can write to the Ministry of Transport [12] (under "Kontakt"). -Toshi 13:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Number of possible registrations

I thought it might be interesting to add the maximum number of possible registrations per location and also the maximum number of civilian vehicles permanently registered. I wanted approval first though, because my math isn't that great. Here is what I figured out:

Each license plate has the following format XXX-YY ZZZZ, where XXX the location, YY the random letters and ZZZZ the random numbers. XXX is of no importance in this calculation.

YY can be one or two letters in the standard latin alphabet without umlauts, thus 26^2 (676) combinations plus an additional 26 when only one letter is used. That makes 702 combinations there if I'm not mistaken.

Z can be any number from 0 to 9, but it doesn't have to be 4 digits long, as it can be 3, 2 or just a single digit aswell, but leading zeros arent allowed.
A single digit means 9 possible combinations ((10^1)-10/10)
2 digits mean 90 combinations (10^2-100/10)
3 digits mean 900 combinations (10^3-1000/10)
4 digits mean 9000 combinations (10^4-10000/10)

That means that there are 9+90+900+9000=9999 combinations in numbers alone. Multiply that with the 702 possible combinations of letters and you get 7,019,298 possible unique registrations per location.

According to this list, there are 560 possible location codes, but these include various state and government used codes which do not follow the standard combination key. If they were to follow the standard key however, it would allow for 3,930,806,880 cars, which means 47.65 cars per resident in 2004 (population: 82,501,000 according to 2004 census). But if someone has the time to filter the list for state owned and reserved location codes, it would be interesting to see what the maximum number of vehicles would be then.

Anyway, someone please double check my calculation and correct it if it's wrong!

Note: Some codes such as SS, SA, KZ etc. and combinations with area codes, example: S-S 100 for Stuttgart or K-Z 100 for Cologne are not allowed (see main article about prohibited combinations). Furthermore the maximum numbers and letters on a plate is 8. This affects three letter-code areas. Hence ABC-DE 1234 is not possible (9 letters/numbers in total). Please take this into account in your calculations. -Toshi 18:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I'll look into that later!

OK, some brief calculations have shown that 49995 will leave the list because they allow illegal combinations in the last two letter spaces and a further 49995 because they allow for illegal combinations with a single-letter city. Im assuming that the combination would be granted if the illegal abbreviation is inbetween other letters or split up between the location code and the random letters. Unless I'm mistaken, that should leave 6,919,308 legal combinations.

In order to determine the maximum lengths, i need to look into the location codes some more.

I had a look in your list mentioned above. It seems it is a little bit outdated (DB for Deutsche Bahn has been abolished around 10 years ago for example). I recommend the list on the German wikipedia [13]. Note: also federal government codes are on the list such as THW, BW, Y, or the local governments ("Landtag") such as BYL, NRW. -Toshi 12:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I had noticed the local governments myself. Since Bremen, Hamburg and Berlin use the same location code for the city as they use for the government, 13 other local governments will be left. Because of the Stadtstaaten, the final number will be slightly off anyway, since it would assume that the local governments have no vehicles registered. But are you sure about the fact that DB is no longer used for Die Bahn? I'm pretty sure I saw a vehicle with DB that was certainly not older than two years. Or could it be that license plates that have been issued to former government agencies can be transfered without typical Sperrfrist on civil plates? I also noticed on the German Wikipedia, that some cities reserve certain letter combinations for certain businesses. And what is also not considered in the calculations, is that people that are called something like Hanz Jürgen can PROBABLY register HJ, in spite of the association with the Hitlerjugend. It seems this calculation is going a bit out of hand. One can say for sure that there are probably enough possible combinations to issue a license plate to every vehicle on earth, not just in Germany.

With DB or BP they are definetely no longer in use since this companies have been privatized and therefore no longer entitled to use special plates. Have a look on these plate samples if you have really seen this plates. But BP has been assigned recently to the federal police (Bundespolizei). The current code BG (Bundesgrenzschutz) will be no longer issued. About the "Nazi"-Codes from my experience only NS and SD are maybe issued if you have your name starts with these letters . But SD is mainly banned in the federal state of Hessen and almost everywhere else in Germany available for registration (even without special reason). -Toshi 07:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

your forgetting that the combinations can be xxx-yy 1234 but in the same city there's also xxx-y 1, xxx-y 12, xxx-y 123, xxx-yy 1, xxx-yy 12, xxx-yy 123. germany doesn't have a rigid numbering plan, the same with its telephone numbers, it's a huge bummer for us... who like it simple... LOL... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.33.112.93 (talk) 08:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Emmission test sticker

I'm guessing that the color of the sticker reflects the year in which the sticker expires? Also, could a photo or diagram of a sticker not expiring in December be uploaded? This would make it clearer how the black mark is used (particularly if the photo is placed next to a photo of a sticker expiring in Dec). --Badger151 19:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Correct the colour shows the expiry year, see list at the end of the article. Regarding an impression of a different expiry month you can download the current photo, rotate it by software and upload it again (preferable WikiCommons). The registration offices in Germany just do like that, they turn the sticker on the plate rather than having for each month a differnt one (in case you ask whether the year is shown always on upright position) -Toshi 13:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

East German number plates

"As they only started using the modern system in 1990 after German reunification, many of the possible shorter combinations had already been used up in western Germany. Thus, big east German cities like Dresden have two letter codes (DD) instead of one (D)"

I think this sentence has to be questioned. As far as I know, all East German districts had been considered when inventing the new number plate system after World War II (already anticipating a possible re-unification). Waldgeist 22:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Well the biggest city only in GDR was Leipzig, but L was taken by a smaller municipality. They had to give it up, in favour of Leipzig. Most other cities in GDR were not so big, compared to West Germany. Compare Magdeburg/München, Dresden/Düsseldorf etc-- BIL (talk) 12:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

L was originally reserved for Leipzig but reused in the mid-80s. After 1990 Leipzig fought to get its L "back". This case is an exception which proves the rule that East German codes were assigned in the 1950s, including some one-letter coes: C, G, J, L, P, Z Anorak2 (talk) 06:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Old photos of plates!

there's one picture of a license plate that appears to be current, but it's not! the "Official registered vehicle for disaster relief" example is the old pre-1994 plate, not the new plate!

also there's one license plate size missing, the one for small motorcycles and farm vehicles, those are smaller, almost like the US license plates, in fact US-Army personnel is issued those plates if they can't fit the regular german sized plates. imports from abroad are also issued those plates if the space is not sufficient for regular plates! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.33.112.93 (talk) 08:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, the majority of the plates are still issued today. The old one's which are no longer issued but remain valid are: KA-RR 232, ERH 8500 and WÜ-06131. The oval Zollkennzeichen (408 Z-8330) is the only plate on the page which is not issued in this style anymore and has been replaced by the FE style plate (Sample: MKK 458 C) -Toshi (talk) 16:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

FE-Mittelschrift typeface

Interesting article at SpiekerBlog (en): Complete forgery detailing Germany's new licence plate typeface: "The official typeface for our license plates is now called FE-Mittelschrift, with FE meaning it is Fälschungs-Erschwert, i.e. difficult to forge. ..." Just a pointer, in case there's any usable information for this article, or somewhere else related. :) -- Quiddity (talk) 08:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Blue EU-flag is NOT seen on all plates in the EU

In the section "Format" it is stated, that all registration plates within the EU displays the blue square to the left; this is not the case in Denmark, so the information is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.27.168 (talk) 09:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

BÜS = Büsingen

Mention should be made of one exception, BÜS = Büsingen, this is not a Kreis (in this article translated as district, but more equivalent to a "county"), it is a mere "Gemeinde" (Parish). This is licence plate famed as having the fewest vehicles registered (812, according to the German version of this article, the one with the most vehicles is B = Berlin). Büsingen gets this honour because it is an exclave and a tax-free area. The different number plates distinguishes the vehicles from those of the rest of the Kreis (KN = Konstanz) because if a Büsingen vehicle is sold elsewhere in Germany tax must be paid. TiffaF (talk) 16:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Done ;) Jochen64 (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Bremerhaven

Why hasn't the city of Bremerhaven an own district code? --88.77.250.127 (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Bremerhaven belongs to the state of Bremen which has the code HB assigned

--92.224.61.243 (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Green lettering

I see some German lorries on UK roads with green lettering instead of the normal black. Is there some reason for this, and if so, shouldn't it be in the article? (My apologies if it already is - couldn't find it.) Peridon (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

You'll find the explanation under 1.4 Special Codes in relation to vehicles exempt from taxes. Michael Poplawski (talk) 23:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Ta. Peridon (talk) 21:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

No mention of Bonn plates?

International organisations have their own special plates, all registered to Bonn (BN) regardless of where its owner lives. It is then followed by 3 digits, then a hyphen, then 3 more digits (syntax: BN 111-111). The first 3 represent the organisation (e.g. 172 for European Aviation Safety Agency, which operates from Cologne), while the latter 3 represent the number within that series. Yet this is not mentioned at all in the article. --Svip^pong 17:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Done Jochen64 (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

East Germany

I think we need an article, or at least a brief section in this article, giving some details of the system of plates in the GDR, as presently it is not discussed here. If anyone is knowledgeable about this, I hope they will contribute something. Credulity (talk) 08:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Region Decals

When did Germany begin using the regional decals? What decals would have been used on the following plates in 1990?

OS-AM 504 HH-DE 978 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.99.15.202 (talk) 17:09, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I Y

I Y stood for Posen, but later for Düsseldorf (Regierungsbezirk). Harry8 (talk) 12:42, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Confusing sentence in "Format" (shortly before "Prohibited Combinations")

The following sentence appears at the end of a paragraph regarding diacritical marks:

"In Germany there are no two codes where the only difference is that one letter O and Q, the only pair of codes with the letters I and J is IL for Landkreis Ilmenau and JL for Landkreis Jerichower Land."

This not only seems to have nothing to do with diacritical marks, but seems almost to make no sense.

I can pretend to understand the first part as meaning that there are no one-letter codes "O" or "Q", but not having (yet) perused the list of codes (what I actually came here to do), I don't know if that is true.

That first part seems also to have nothing to do with the second, unless it possibly means that there are no codes that start with an "I" or "J" except for the two given.

After I find the list of codes and look for the information I need, I will check into the veracity of the "translations" I made in trying to understand the sentence. IF I guessed correctly, then I would then suggest the following replacement sentence:

"There are no codes "O" and "Q", and only one code starting with "I" (IL for Landkreis Ilmenau) or "J" (JL for Landkreis Jerichower Land)."

It needs, however, to be removed from the "diacritical marks" paragraph, since it has nothing to do with them.

Even then, this is not particularly useful information, but interesting (perhaps) for those seeking trivia...

Edit:

Well, after perusing the two sites:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_aller_Kfz-Kennzeichen_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland

and

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Kfz-Kennzeichen_in_Deutschland

(...why are there TWO? Are they competing...?)

>There are no codes "O" and "Q"...

True. But there are also no region codes for "I", "T", "U", "X", and "Y" (although "X" and "Y" are apparently used for NATO headquarters and the military, respectively (see the "Special codes" section)).

>...and only one code starting with "I" (IL for Landkreis Ilmenau) or "J" (JL for Landkreis Jerichower Land).

Well I find 6 regions starting with "I", and 4 starting with "J".

The sentence might omit the second clause entirely, and amend the first to:

"There are no one-letter regional codes "I", "O", "Q", "T", and "U"."

(and, of course, move it somewhere else)

but again, why have it at all?

Scott092707 (talk) 15:42, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Having just worked the article over (and, hopefully, not wrecked it) I understand what you mean. I was also wondering about this sentence, and it certainly has nothing to do with diacritical marks. I get the impression that the author intended to tell something about the confusion of letters (I vs J, O vs Q) which was a problem of the former type of letters, before FE type. (Incidentally, I added a paragraph about letters which had not been used in the middle part of license plates to avoid that confusion, but the first/regional part was not subject to the restrictions described.) But whatever was meant to tell, I don't quite understand the purpose.

Agreed therefore - I'm in favour of deleting this sentence.

edit (erroneously inserted some lines in the wrong place, sorry) — concerning your question on various lists in German wikipedia: Those lists are not really competing, but … well … giving very similar information in various levels of detail. The first list mentioned offers very extensive information about all regional codes ever used in the current system, up to the first and last dates of issue; whereas the second list contains only the codes which may be issued right now. And, by the way, there are actually even more lists on this topic to be found: codes which are no longer issued; codes which are shared between various districts, and by which system; codes which were reserved for districts outside the former Federal Republic; etc.</edit>

Jochen64 (talk) 03:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Complete makeover?

Though I don't want to trespass on anybody's preferences, I would like to work this article over. There are a few inconsistencies, some long and even confusing chapters (partly due to the lack of sub-headings) … and I'm sure the article could gain a lot by re-arranging. I've already got a few ideas.

Any objections?

Jochen64 (talk) 03:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

From smeone trying to digest this article for the first time: Please, please go ahead and implement your ideas. It's obvious several people have invested a lot of effort to compile all of this - but I honestly think most of the information is much too detailed. Even if there was a consensus on retaining all of the information, just some structural changes and copyedit could improve this article a lot. Rindsgulasch (talk) 00:10, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouragement. I got it started finally, copied the whole source to my sandbox and am going over it, by and by, re-arranging, shortening, reconfigurating … Comments and hints will be appreciated, prior to relaunch. Jochen64 (talk) 23:53, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Pleased to announce that the projected workover is almost finished. If interested, have a look. I'm hoping to launch the version before the end of this year. Jochen64 (talk) 21:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Completed

After more work than expected first, I am delighted to tell that I finished what I intended. I hope I haven't been stepping on anybody's toes by deleting or rewriting what they wrote earlier ... but this is Wikipedia, anyway, go ahead!

Yet there still remain more things to be done. Will be looking over the weblinks, trying to improve. Also there is the question whether or not a list of area codes should be added. Looking forward to further improving.

Jochen64 (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Area Codes Table

Hi all, So, about last week, I found out that the English wikipedia was lacking a table of area codes and their corresponding districts ... So, I spent a week or so, gathering the information from French and German Wikipedia pages, creating a table suitable for this article. I've made the table collapsible for each letter of alphabet, as otherwise, it would be way too large.

The table is here Template:List of License Plate Area Codes of Germany

Would appreciate if you guys took the time to go through, review, add and modify whatever you see fit, and provide feedback as well. BasilLeaf (talk) 07:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Great idea, thanks for your work! – Actually, I had been thinking about such a list as well, and indeed working on it. Yet on a different scale, cf here. Comments will be appreciated … how about making up the ideal list of both of ours? Jochen64 (talk) 10:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

OH Thank you, I appreciate your comment. And There are several aspects of your table that I do like, and would like to see incorporated into a big unified table. 1. I like the colourcoding of the left-most column, for codes that are reserved and not available to public. 2. I love the little state emblems, did think of doing that in my own list but I focused on first completing the list first. and 3rd, your last column, it's a good foundation for what I have in mind. What I'm thinking, is a column "History and background". For example, let's take the code "AH". It belongs to Borken now, but in that column, we'd have the explanation "Previously allocated to "Ahaus District", merged into Borken on 1975", or whatever applicable historic background. There's also more information from the page de:Liste aller deutschen Kfz-Kennzeichen mit einer Gebietseinteilung that we can include in the history column. But it would be decisions to make between what's going to be informative and what's going to make the table too cluttered. BasilLeaf (talk) 10:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I should probably add what my primary intention for my project was, and why I designed it the way I did. My primary goal was to create a comprehensive enough table, so that, when you are out on the street, or on social media, and you spot a German car, and you want to check where the plate was registered at, you can go to this table, scroll down, and efficiently find the answer. BasilLeaf (talk) 11:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind comment. Let's get to work …

Your last paragraph: agreed absolutely, that's the main point of such a table. I probably should add that I live in Germany and am used to number plates and respective lists in calendars and any German child asking "Daddy, where is that car from?" … perfectly understandable. (In fact, we are disappointed in countries like Denmark where neither letters nor numbers give any clue about the whereabouts.)

On the other hand, I am aware of the too much information problem. Will it be it necessary, for the interested reader yet not obsessed with details, to know that – as an example – in my home district, N with 1 letter (yet not B/F/G/I/O/Q) and a number below 1000 is from Nürnberger Land whereas N with 2 letters or a single-letter B/F/G/I/O/Q or a 4-figure number hails from Nuremberg city? Or will it do to know “N = Nuremberg”? — In fact, this article bore an “overly detailed” warning until a year ago, so I tried to keep my table simple, to fit in. I had been thinking about another column like "issued (years)" which would have told you that HEB was issued 1956–72 and again since 2013 — but it would be a lot of work to find them all out, and again, is this necessary information?

One more point on table formatting. I like your idea of the initial letter to jump to; saves a lot of scrolling and searching. On the other hand, I tried to keep the table sortable, for the letter codes as well as for the names of the districts (or their capitals), to search the other way round. I'm afraid we can't have both … can we? Jochen64 (talk) 09:44, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Now, with our above discussion having petered out without any visible results, User:Plastikspork merged from List of License Plate Area Codes of Germany per TfD outcome on 3 December 2023. I have to admit that I had not noticed an explicit discussion having been started, other than our few paragraphs above. So does everybody involved agree that the best way to have the list we wanted is as we see it now? Otherwise, I dare say I'd rather be partial, preferring the list I made up. May I have your opinions? —Jochen64 (talk) 02:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Lists of historical area codes

Although the above question does not seem to have been answered, I have now at least added respective lists for the German Empire (1906–45) and East Germany (DDR, 1949–90). There is more to come, if you don't mind. —Jochen64 (talk) 04:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Temporary Plates

The yellow temporary plates can be used even for export now. That is one no longer needs the more expensive red export plates. The yellow plates can be also acquired by citizens of EU. But it would be nice to know it for sure, this info is from a Czech web. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jankratochvil (talk • contribs) 10:40, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Sending insurance forms

I need a fax to send insurance forms for registration 2601:100:817E:1870:25DB:E341:F61A:848D (talk) 15:36, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid that even after two years this contribution still baffles me. If you want to register a vehicle, turn to the district authority (Kraftfahrzeugzulassungsstelle) of your residence. This isn't Wikipedia business, is it? (If it wasn't bad form, I'd be in favour of deleting this conundrum anyway…) Ideas, anybody? —Jochen64 (talk) 03:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)