Talk:Gertrude Lawrence

Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:11, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

First paragraph

"Race relations" pertains to The King and I. "Atheism" pertains to Susan and God. "Psychoanalysis" pertains to Lady in the Dark. Do we really need footnotes for these words? The plots and themes of the plays are well-known and are described in their own Wiki articles. Newcastleind (talk) 06:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

No, Dooyar, that isn't the point of fact tags, and you know that. The fact tags are for the need of a citation that Gertrude Lawrence specialized in appearing in productions that feature those things. Besides which, this is only covered in the lead and there is nothing in the article you've restored that addresses those plays or their subjects. What, we're supposed to read your mind? Please.

However, that is not all that you did, as you also well know. You've just reverted the article back to an earlier version, although many things which have been tagged for sourcing for over seven months were removed and returned by you. At this point, however, you're a proven sock puppet and you are NOT permitted to edit on Wikipedia anymore. If you'll go read, being blocked is a way of saying "Go away, we don't allow people who continue to break the rules to edit here." So, go. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, but please don't confuse me with that person. Your edit contains an incomplete sentence. I'm a longtime reader; made my first contribution to fix POV comment on how pretty/ugly subject was, incomplete sentence and cable channel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.87.176 (talk) 06:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I removed POV comments about Gertrude Lawrence's looks and hitting the right or wrong notes. That's POV, and it doesn't belong here. My POV is different. I think she was pretty, especially when she was younger. Her singing on the King and I compact disk is pitch perfect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.170.104.51 (talk) 23:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies

I have read two Lawrence bios, neither of which even remotely suggests she was bisexual. Does anyone know what reliable source(s) led to this article being included in the WikiProject LGBT studies? LiteraryMaven (talk) 22:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your addition. I'm not entirely sure of the particulars, but there are often times when the LGBT studies project will include someone or something because of things other than sexual orientation, such as contributions, assertion of LGBT rights or equality, or simply because that person was embraced by the community as an icon/role model. That may be the case here. Also, I am going to restore the filmography at this time because that is a standard that the WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers endorses and in entirely proper and the Broadway appearances because they aren't all covered in the article and at some point, I will be tabling them and including more appearance details. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

At the time the bot tagged the article (see), it had the following info:

she also had lesbian affairs, including a much-rumoured relationship with the British novelist Dame Daphne du Maurier, and apparently with Beatrice Lillie herself, who, when referring to Lawrence, said: "I knew her better than her husband". Passionate letters written between Lawrence and Du Maurier were published in a 1993 biography of Du Maurier, who long outlasted her one-time love interest.'

-- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's a link to 40+ books that may help. -- Banjeboi 13:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Most of the sources for Gertrude Lawrence's friendship with Daphne Du Maurier are books on Du Maurier that were published many decades after Lawrence died. The Lawrence biography written by her husband two years after she died devotes just a few paragraphs to it. None of these books speculates that either woman had sexual crushes on other women, and what they felt for each other is hard to pin down, and so is what they may have done with each other in a bedroom. Beatrice Lillie's statement, "I knew [Gertrude Lawrence] better than her husband" appears to have been manufactured by a Wikipedia editor. A check with two books on Ms. Lillie does not turn up that statement, nor do books on Ms. Lawrence. Today I'm going to add excerpts from these sources to the article. What is there now about Lawrence - Du Maurier is unsourced and inaccurate.Gertrude Lawrence (talk) 00:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Paramount "Long Island" Studios

First of all, Paramount's "Long Island" studio was actually in the New York City borough of Queens which has been part of New York City since 1898; "Long Island" generally means suburban Nassau and Suffolk Counties which are east of Queens. Indeed, Brooklyn is the western terminus of Long Island but I cannot recall anyone ever referring to Brooklyn as "Long Island."

Secondly, the Paramount Studio complex in the Astoria section of Queens in NEW YORK CITY had, at the time, what was the FOURTH LARGEST soundstage in The United States and the largest on the East Coast; this is hardly a "small studio complex" especially if you add in all the other several square city blocks that it still occupies to this day; even the Warner Brothers studio in Brooklyn was fairly good-sized (NBC took it over to use as a TV studio).

Paramount continued to make regular, high-quality, first run motion pictures at this facility and since they were in New York City they also used many location shots of the city in the 1920s and 30s.

Indeed, Paramount's main motivation for building this facility was that they could access Broadway talent and this became especially handy once sound motion pictures became a reality.

Satchmo Sings (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Assessed by WP: Women's History standards.

The article was assessed C-class, for lack of sufficient in-line citations. Boneyard90 (talk) 16:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

So what?

'Richard Aldrich's biography of his late wife... was purchased by Marilyn Monroe during a period when she stayed exclusively in New York and Connecticut, not California.'

Rather an odd mention. If it was a best-seller, as claimed, no doubt many show-business people bought the book. Valetude (talk) 11:59, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Daughter's 2nd marriage

'Three years after Lawrence's death, her daughter Pamela gave birth to Benn Clatworthy, the first of Lawrence's three grandchildren.'

The article mentions Pamela's first marriage, but not her second. Who was Mr. Clatworthy senior? Valetude (talk) 12:03, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Valetude, please see Robert Clatworthy (sculptor). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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This is a very good profile of Gertrude Lawrence, but the link to her second husband should be fixed since the Richard Aldrich to which the article jumps is the wrong one. The link goes to a man who died in 1937, and Lawrence was married to the intended Aldrich until she died in 1951.

Last edited at 01:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 16:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Years active?

Does anyone know why the infobox says she was active until 1951 while the article mentions that she was still performing in August of 1952? 135.19.12.14 (talk) 00:00, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Wolcott Gibbs : ' O.K. Zanuck, Take It Away '

In his collection 'More in Sorrow' (New York: Henry Holt, 1958), Gibbs takes the royal p*** out of Lawrence for her dizzy autobiography 'A Star Danced' 121.44.58.165 (talk) 21:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

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Discography

Discography incomplete; I will add to it later but feel free to jump in D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 22:35, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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