Talk:Getty Center/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:25, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I will leave comments in a few days.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:25, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• Why is the image below the infobox instead of inside it?
  • Because it is not the official seal or logo of the museum.
    • That is not a reason. (See Museum of Modern Art, Art Institute of Chicago, Musée du Louvre, etc.)--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
      • I will promote a photo from the gallery. I want to keep the caption on the satellite photo. Racepacket (talk) 22:33, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
        • Move the non-infobox image into the first section so that the edit button does not get bunched down.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:50, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
• Please ensure that the main point of each section is summarized in the WP:LEAD, which is currently very brief.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:51, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

expanded lead paras. Racepacket (talk) 22:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

O.K. but "The Center's design included special provisions to possible earthquakes and fires." seems to be ungrammatical. Is something missing after the word to?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Fixed, thank you.

I would say address concerns regarding.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

• refs such as 1983[4]. and west[5][6]. should immediately follow punctuation. - done
  • A search for "]." reveals several similar problems.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:08, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Found 3 more.
• Richard Meier need only be linked once. In subsequent uses only mention his last name. - done
• Merge or expand short (one or two line paragraphs). - done
• "cut 200 staff positions" out of how many? - done
• Is there a link for the Americans with Disabilities Act, heliport and promontory? What about Old Master painting? - done
• I don't know what grotto and azaleas are so you might want to link those too. - done
• An automated three-car, cable-pulled tram takes passengers to and from the museum. should be An automated three-car, cable-pulled tram transports passengers between the museum and X (presumably the parking garage). - done
• "an outdoor sculpture garden was added on the west side of the central garden" When? - 2007, done
• Are the Getty Foundation, Getty Research Institute and Getty Conservation Institute in the pavilions or separate structures? If the pavilions note which ones. If separate structure describe physical location in relation to the nearest pavilion. - done
• What is the Getty Villa? - done
  • Where?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
    • 1st para under "Location and history." It was built on his estate in Malibu, CA.
      • The reader might miss the connection between those villa references and the Getty Villa. Please make the link clear.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC) -done
• Getty Foundation and J. Paul Getty Trust can not stand alone as one-line sections. Merge or expand. - merged
• Add metric conversion for million gallons. - done --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
• There are a lot of images in the gallery. Why don't we put one image in each section on alternating sides.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:57, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Moved two photos. Some are very strange shapes and will be small if we do a 200px thumbnail.

How about switching sides of the first five so that we have strict alternating.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:48, 27 November 2010 (UTC) - done

Is there no picture that could be appropriate in the fire/earthquake section.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I can't find one.

Personally, I would just move File:Aerial Getty Museum.jpg or File:Getty Center 2008.jpg into the earthquake/fire section if not both. Then once you do that since you only have 5 left in the gallery, I would consider using Template:Multiple image just to move the rest of the gallery images into the text.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:27, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I used more photos from the Commons and have added a photo to the earthquake section.

I have confirmed all copyrights. I think if you can respond to the two items below, I can promote this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

• Can you convert to the more modern picture gallery. WP:CHICAGO uses it in two places. I have to check all your image licenses and such. It may take me a while to finish up the review.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:42, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
  • This is still an issue.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:05, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
• Note: I did an upright resizing of the first image. Revert if you wish.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
• Please convert the bulletpoints regarding the fires into prose.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:58, 26 November 2010 (UTC) - done

Observations

Just had a quick look to the article and wish to make few comments and suggestions:

• The lead could be much improved. As a reader first I would like to know what is the "Getty Center" i.e. why is it called a "center" and what does "Getty" stand for. Instead the lead starts with a statement that this is one of two locations of the Getty Museum. I would suggest to move the enumeration of its components (Museum, Research etc) to the first paragraph. Than explain in the lead as well as in the article why "Getty". There is no link in the whole article to J. Paul Getty. Regarding the size, I agree is notable and should be in the lead but the 1997 $ value is less relevant (and is going to be even less in the future) than physical size, so I would suggest using site and floor areas.
  • The current WP:LEAD is a weakness of the article. It is not very well organized. The first paragraph should say that it hosts several non-museum structures (the sentence starting with Besides the museum could serve this purpose moved into the first paragraph). JP Getty should be linked in the LEAD with a brief description of who he was. Slightly more detail about him should be in the main text.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
    • The newly-revised WP:LEAD is not WP:GA caliber. A one line opening paragraph is unacceptable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
      • Please read WP:LEAD. A lead for an article of this length must be at least two paragraphs.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
• The layout is a bit image heavy, and in particular in the gallery many images add little content. I would suggest removing some of the excess images. You can create a well structured gallery in commons, and link directly there instead of linking to commonscat. Also the caption of the first image is excessively long and does not comply with WP:CAPTION.
  • Why don't you eliminate the link at the end of this problematic caption.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
• Consistency of units of measurement: "24 acres (97,000 m2) on a 110-acre (0.45 km2) [...] surrounded by 600 acres (2.4 km2)". There is a jump from sqm to sqkm. I would suggest using hectares for the site area in all three cases (i.e. 9.7 ha, 45 ha and 240 ha).

• This is an article about a United States museum. Most Americans don't know what a hectare is. Racepacket (talk) 03:34, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
• Set them all to sqm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Racepacket (talk • contribs)

• Given the variation in sizes, having both sqm and sqkm is not a problem.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
• And most non-US readers wouldn't know what an acre is. That's why we have Wikipedia: to learn. The fact is that in architecture, urban design and planning, site areas of developments of this scale are generally measured in hectares not in sqm or sqkm, in countries using the metric system.-- Elekhh (talk) 05:05, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

• The architecture section provides a description of the site organisation and materials, but not much about the architectural expression. It is not even mentioned that the aluminium is white painted (as characteristic to Meier), and how do the facades look like, how does this building fit in Meier's work ?

• beige to match the travertine.
  • Than something must be wrong with the white balance of some of the pictures. --Elekhh (talk) 05:05, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

• Data: if available, it would be good to know besides the site area what is the total floor area and how much of it is dedicated for different functions (museum, research etc.) Also how many paintings are in the museum's collection, how many are on display?

Hope this is of help. --Elekhh (talk) 02:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

• I can finally pass this. Good work.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)