Talk:GhostRider (roller coaster)

Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. The prevailing opinion is that GhostRider should continue to redirect to Ghost Rider the disambiguation page, as PascalCase is not sufficient a disambiguator. (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 12:53, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

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GhostRider (roller coaster) → GhostRider – unnecessary disambiguation, the latter redirects to the former 82.132.224.142 (talk) 09:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

• But Ghost Rider has many meanings. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:25, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, so in the meantime I have redirected GhostRider to Ghost Rider (disambiguation). 82.132.229.201 (talk) 10:47, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose Per Anthony. Also, it being styled in camelcaps doesn't really make it unambiguous. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 11:48, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - also per Anthony A. Using camelcaps is bad enough already, using camelcaps to dab probably should be written into WP:DAB as a specific example of what not to do. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:20, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Newtothisedit (talk · contribs) 21:08, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll pick this up for review, I will start leaving comments soon.--Newtothisedit (talk) 21:08, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

Comments

• Add caption to image in infobox
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
• "There are three trains, each themed to a different precious metal, though only two are in use" add that only two are in use at a given time as stated later in article. Current wording makes it seem that one train is broken or discontinued.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
• "Knott's vice president for maintenance and construction at the time, Robin Hall, said he wanted the project to accomplish two goals. According to Hall, the ride would serve as a "billboard" for the park on Beach Boulevard, along the park's eastern boundary, while relocating warehouses to free up space for the new attraction." I'd try to combine these two sentences, right now they don't flow very well.
  • I have combined the sentences, but the sentence is now pretty long. I agree the sentences were pretty clunky, but that might've been because the wording "accomplish two goals" is redundant, rather than because these are two sentences. Epicgenius (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
• "but the ride ultimately reopened on June 11" add year (2016)
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
• "The ride's official backstory involves a Union Army soldier who moved to a California mining town during a gold rush. in pursuit of gold" Remove unnecessary period.
  • I've fixed this by rewording the sentence. Epicgenius (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
• "The ride's station is three stories high and is themed to a mining company's building" to "The ride's station is three stories high and is themed as a mining company's building"
  • I have fixed this now. I think I got a couple of ideas mixed up in my head when writing this - the station is themed to mining, and it is designed to resemble a mining-company building. Epicgenius (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Overall very informative and well written article.--23:49, 25 October 2022 (UTC)Newtothisedit (talk)

• @Newtothisedit: Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it. I've now fixed all the issues you raised. Epicgenius (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Looks good, I'll pass the article. Newtothisedit (talk) 22:12, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 21:09, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that GhostRider is the longest wooden roller coaster on the West Coast of the United States? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/109472051/thrill-seekers-flock-to-knotts-new-ride/ https://rcdb.com/rhr.htm?m=1&t=2&l=1
  • ALT0.5: ... that GhostRider is the longest wooden roller coaster on the Pacific coast of the Americas? Source: https://rcdb.com/rhr.htm?m=1&t=2&l=1 https://rcdb.com/rhr.htm?m=2&t=2&l=26723
  • ALT1: ... that labor union members protested over the fact that Knott's Berry Farm did not hire unionized workers to build GhostRider, prompting a lawsuit to stop the protests? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/109586590/amusement-park-sues-to-halt-union/
  • ALT2: ... that Knott's Berry Farm sued to stop a labor union protesting their use of non-union workers to build the GhostRider? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/109586590/amusement-park-sues-to-halt-union/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rockstar Leeds

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 15:47, 30 October 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Both of the hooks are cited to reliable sources and interesting enough. ALT1 is okay, though I've proposed a shorter version (ALT2). My concern with the primary hook is twofold. First, the article and hook link to West Coast of the United States, but neither the cited source, nor Knott's itself explicitly limits itself to the United States. If this hook is used, it should be edited and cited to a source clarifying if the claim only applies to the United States, or to Canada as well. Also, the source is from 1999, which is over two decades ago. While Knott's website still makes the claim, it would be better to have a more recent source, since this is a potentially dated claim. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 10:51, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

• @Patar knight: about the first hook citation the knott's farm official website that you linked details that it specifically mentions the US. However it does mention both the west coast and the Western United States which are different on wikipedia. Regardless though I can't seem to find a more modern source for the Alt0. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:22, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

• Onegreatjoke, it looks like RCDB which was accepted as a RS for List of roller coaster rankings's successful featured list candidacy, verifies that it remains the longest roller coaster on the West Coast of the United States and North America [1], as well as all the Americas (South America has one wooden roller coast in Brazil) [2]. It's probably best to cite an independent source for a claim such as this, so if RCDB is used in the article, that should be fine for DYK's purposes. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Patar knight: RCDB isn't used in the article but since the RCDB source you've provided works as a source we could just technically use that. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:02, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

• I don't have an issue with the primary hook if RCDB is used in the article, which it currently isn't. Once it is in the article, than it's good to go. I'm not familiar with how these superlatives are typically handled in roller coaster/attraction articles, so I'm leaving it to the editorial discretion of those more familiar with such articles if the article/hook will refer to the West/Pacific Coast of the US/North America/the Americas. Perhaps Epicgenius can help us out? Other hook is good to go now, but probably a bit less interesting. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:21, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Patar knight: I've decided to just add the citation into the article. Would that be good enough? Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:25, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping Patar knight. The Los Angeles Times article describing the ride's opening says that Knott's Berry Farm billed the roller coaster as the tallest and fastest wooden coaster in the West, but it does not specify further. However, since all ten of the longest wooden roller coasters in North America are in the U.S., and since nine of them are in the Midwest or on the East Coast, I think the RCDB source that Onegreatjoke added should be fine. Epicgenius (talk) 15:23, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I've added some text to the article so it supports all the claims. I've added an ALT hook for the Americas claim, and adjusted the original hook to refer to the United States. Any of the four should be good to go now, though ALT2 is more concise than ALT1. Thanks for your help. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:47, 4 November 2022 (UTC)