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Requested move 21 June 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 16:29, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

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Gian Paolo Dallara → Giampaolo Dallara – I think there's fairly good evidence that Mr Dallara's first name is actually "Giampaolo", not "Gian Paolo":

• Sources which support "Giampaolo" include: his profile on the Dallara website, the cover of his book, scuderiafans.com, motorsportimages.com, granstudio.com, automuseums.info, crassevig.com and grandprix.com
• However, some there are some sources which support "Gian Paolo", including: historicracing.com, mshf.com and the normally reliable oldracingcars.com

But on balance I think there's more evidence in favour of "Giampaolo". DH85868993 (talk) 11:42, 21 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:29, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I’m not certain all these sources refer to the same person. The motorsport images one depicts a different Dallara, an engineer with BMW Sauber. Also one of the sources writing in one word has it as Gianpaolo. Tvx1 14:05, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@DH85868993: If you feel there there would be objections to your proposal or that there is any dispute as to what the article title should be, then the best way forward is to start a Requested Move using the available template. Otherwise, if you feel it would be an uncontroversial move (which I don't believe this is, but regardless), the best way forward is to be BOLD and just move it.

That being said, we should be giving strong preference to reliable, secondary sources, not official sources. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:07, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Given that we’re discussing the name of person here, I’m not convinced we should prioritise secondary sources here. A person himself is still in the best position to know what his own name is.Tvx1 17:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@GhostOfDanGurney: I've converted the discussion into a Requested Move, per your suggestion. DH85868993 (talk) 21:16, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tvx1: Great pickups. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 21:16, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Comments So for clarity's sake, there also is a person called Giampaolo Dall'Ara who is a motorsport engineer and who has worked in F1 for the BMW Sauber team. His family name is frequently misspelled by sources without the apostrophe. We need to make sure that the sources cited are referring to the correct person.Tvx1 22:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support move - I tend to be of the opinion that for someone's name, going with primary sources is actually best, especially in cases of doubt. The oldracingcars.com example above actually uses "Giampaolo" "Gianpaolo" in the caption of the image, and searching the motorsport magazine archives I find articles using both names. So in absence of any certainty, I think best to follow the Dallara website. A7V2 (talk) 01:55, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
  • I've just noticed that the motorsport magazine articles had Gianpaolo, as did oldracingcars.com... well in fairness it was I who searched the wrong thing... A7V2 (talk) 01:59, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Support - I daresay having his own name on his book would warrant the way we name an article. - J man708 (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

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