Talk:Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Stood Still

Correcting names

"Von Forglor"? Are you kidding me? Do you really think that they'd name him that when "Von Volger" is an actual German name, and it's a homage to "Albert Emanuel Vogler", a character in the 1958 swedish film The Magician, by Ingmar Burgman?

Well, I guess you wouldn't, or you wouldn't have typed that. Regardless, if you're going to make an entry for this anime, try doing some research first. I recommend this page:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021127090608/angelfire.com/anime2/GR/FF.html

Well, I'm certainly no expert, but I thought the IPO's answer to the Magnificent Ten was the Celestial Nine. I mean, there definitely is the Experts of Justice, but I thought that was just a label for the Experts themselves. So...where exactly does the Celestial Nine fit into this, and who is exactly is the ninth member? I count Youshi, Go, Chujo, Ginrei, Taisou, Tetsugyu, Murasame, and Issei, but that's only eight. Is Daisaku one of the "Celestial Nine"? I mean, he probably is...but he doesn't seem too Celestial to me...>_> DRaGZ 16:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Of the Celestinal Nine, a.k.a. the Nine Lords of Heaven, only Silent Chujo and Taisou make an appearance. The Nine and the Experts are two different groups. This is their roster:

• Taisou, a.k.a the Spiritual Buddhist, a.k.a the Godly Walker, a.k.a the Human Battery (replaced Kaimei the Bursting Fireball)
• Tendou the Berserk
• Sei the Bewitcher
• Director Eigan
• Silent Chujo
• Chief Ootsuka
• Dick the Shepherd
• Rinchuu the Panther Cub-Headed
• Marshal Kanshin (de facto leader of the Nine)

The Nine Lords are like the Magnificent Ten: the most poweful members of their respective organizations who answer to a God-like individual. (Big Fire and Rai-se) I only remember two references to the Nine in the OVA: 1) after Taisou is defeated; and 2) when the Ten attack Liang Shan Po.--Nohansen 19:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh snap. That makes a bit more sense. But then one wonders just where the hell they were when the world was about to be destroyed. DRaGZ 19:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

The in-universe answer is they were someplace else. When the Magnificent Ten attack Liang Shan Po, one of the good guys asks "Why did they have to come when the Nine Lords aren't here?", or something to that effect.

The out-of-universe response is Imagawa hadn't designed them all by the time episode 5 was released. Even so, he says he liked it better that way since 1) he could focus on Daisaku... "David beating Goliath," and all that and 2) it was easier to direct. Directing so many characters would have proven too difficult and hurt the pacing.--Nohansen 22:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

New Manga

Could someone add some info about the new manga being serialized in Champion Red magazine? I would but I honestly don't know that much detail on it, aside from the fact that Imagawa is working on the story, and Toda Yasunari (of s-CRY-ed manga fame) doing the artwork. --KinnikumanZebra 05:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Isn't that what I did yesterday? Or do you mean besides that? Anything specific? Doceirias 07:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I uploaded thecover, Giantrobomanga.jpg but don't have time to figure out how to make it display correctly. Doceirias 07:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

There are other adaptations beside the new manga.

Mari Mizuta did a manga of "The Day Earth Stood Still" that was released alongside the OVA. Masayuki Fujihara did Giant Robo: The Beginning, a one-shot published in Toramaga Vol. 3. Hiroshi Yamaguchi wrote the novelization.

With enough info, an "Adaptations" section could be put together.--Nohansen 12:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks good, but I do feel like the new one is of much greater significance that the previous two. Might be worth keeping the cover shot in there. Doceirias 10:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I put the image back. I also added a line about "The Day Earth Burned" being part of Robo's 40th anniversary.--Nohansen 13:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see it when I posted that.. I dunno if you did it after I posted or not, but thanks anyway --KinnikumanZebra 03:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

GA Nom

Self-nomination.--Nohansen 06:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

No mention of the Magnificent Ten? The article calls them Experts - relying on fuzzy memory, but I don't recall the term Experts being used with the BFDan. Doceirias 07:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

In Episode 3, Ivan (not one of the Magnificent Ten) attacks some technicians working on the Magnetic Web and introduces himself as "one of Big Fire's Experts." Expert is to the Giant Robo universe what metahuman is to the DC Universe: a catch-all word for anyone with superpowers.

About the Magnificent Ten, you really think we should mention them? I didn't because, although the group is mentioned in episode one, they don't appear until episode 6.--Nohansen 16:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Alberto and the mask guy are around from the beginning, as it the phrase. Definitely worth mentioning. Doceirias 18:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Ko-enshaku, the mask guy, is not one of The Ten. He is more like Big Fire's enforcer. Anyway, I added a mention to the Magnificent Ten.--Nohansen 04:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

This is an excellent article. One thing that confuses me, does BF Group stand for Big Fire Group? That's not entirely clear. --Squilibob 06:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The BF Group takes it's name from Big Fire, but is never called anything else. I believe this was actually a mistranslation in the Manga Entertainment version - when the first episodes were translated, the difference was not apparent. Doceirias 09:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I added a note on Big Fire being the BF Group's founder and leader. I hope that dispels the confusion.--Nohansen 17:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The Japanese version seems to use initials a lot more than the English version. The group is "BF-dan," or "BF Group." I suspect it's called "Big Fire" in the subs and dubs due to getting confused by the opening titles where they say "We pledge allegiance to Big Fire!" (To be fair, fansubbers often translated "BF-dan" as "Big Fire" too.)

In GinRei OAV #2, the initials are played for a joke by having BF actually stand for "Blue Flower." (Media Blasters's translators apparently didn't get the joke, because in the English dubs of the GinRei OAVs, including #1 and #3 which don't have that joke involved, the group is referred to as "Blue Flower" too.) —Robotech_Master (talk) 06:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

GAC on hold

The article is mostly of high quality. It is very well referenced, and mostly well-written. The images all have fair use rationales and support the article well. However, there are a few minor concerns:

• The article needs a skimming over, as some of the wording is incorrect (minor examples include "events takes place" and "any of supporting characters")
• You could do with a reference or two for some of the claims in the introduction, such as "Giant Robo is a homage to Yokoyama's career" and "The OVA is recognized for its "retro" style and operatic score"

These changes are rather minor, and should be simple to amend. Once these points are fixed, I'd happily pass the article - • The Giant Puffin • 11:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

All done. I hope I got them all. About the lead... I thought that, since the lead is a summary of the article, references weren't necessary.--Nohansen 16:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Well done, I'm happy to pass - • The Giant Puffin • 18:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Original Research

Ask123 just tagged this article as having original research or unverified claims. I found this highly suspect, so I removed the tag. If there's any statement that needs a citation, please let me know and I'll provide it.--Nohansen (talk) 22:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Pretentious writing

Critical reception has been largely positive. Three different reviewers from the AnimeOnDVD site gave Giant Robo an "A+".[23][37][38] John Huxley of Anime Boredom "highly recommends" the series and Anime Academy gives it a grade of 88%.[39] Giant Robo is considered one of the true classics of anime,[23] an epic in the vein of Homer's Iliad and Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen.[19]

Really?

Yeah, really. The show is that awesome. In fact, the only fault critics seem to find is that it wraps up as fast as it began. Check the reviews.--Nohansen (talk) 04:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree completely, but if quoting people who run "Anime Boredom" is the best you can do, it's better to just give up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.176.63.209 (talk) 07:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Steampunk

What? Giant Robo isn't steampunk.

Fossil Fuels are mentioned and Nuclear Power is part of the plot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.85.186.222 (talk) 22:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. GR is most definitely NOT steampunk. If I cared enough, I'd edit the article, but honestly I am content to allow foolish people to wallow in their ignorance. 70.176.105.5 (talk) 06:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC) kzd

I removed this. If somebody wants to add a sourced quote from somebody describing it as steampunk that's one thing, but the bald assertion is something else. Chronodm (talk) 18:10, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Eh, I also agree it isn't Steampunk. There are no steam-powered engines and the overall setting is closer to Cyberpunk, if you really want to see any punk here. --89.166.250.240 (talk) 15:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Different shows

"Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Burned" is a different animated production, so that the articles must not be merged. --87.15.197.117 (talk) 14:45, 24 March 2012 (UTC) (Anonimous)

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The result of the move request was: move the article to Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Stood Still at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 03:38, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

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Giant Robo (OVA) → Giant Robo (video series) – Before going forward with an WP:RfC on how to properly disambiguate these anime "original video animation" (or "OVA") series, I'd like to run a test-case or two through WP:RM to see if we can come to a consensus on a naming scheme for these first. Based on the discussion at Talk:JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (2012 TV series)#Requested move 17 November 2018, it seems like there may be some support for disambiguating these by either "(video series)" or "(film series)". No matter what, "OVA" is insufficient disambiguation as it does not distinguish the "one-off" OVA titles (which should simply be disambiguated with "(film)", as all direct-to-video film titles are, under WP:NCFILM) from the true OVA "series" titles such as Giant Robo here. If we can come up with a consensus on how to name this one, we may be making progress on this issue... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:25, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

RFA? I presume you meant RFC? Iffy★Chat -- 09:19, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Fixed! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:16, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose and move to Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Stood Still per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION and WP:COMMONNAME. Unfortunately, I don't think this can work as a very good test case, as we do have this NATURALDIS alternative, which is used on other pages already, such as Giant Robo#Adaptations. -- Netoholic @ 03:06, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
• Support Netoholic's proposal. Seems Netoholic is right that this is a better name, which is used also in the lead and in {{Giant Robo}}. Seems like the "OVA" situation will have to wait for a different testcase. --Gonnym (talk) 12:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
• Support Netoholic's proposal I agree with Netoholic and Gonnym for this particular article that this would be the better name as per the reasons above. We can always have Giant Robo (video series) redirect to Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Stood Still. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 14:57, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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"The Modern Notion of the Giant Robot Genre" in Influences

"The modern notion of the giant robot genre can be traced back to the 1970s.[22] The works of Go Nagai (Mazinger, Getter Robo) created the genre and the debut of Yoshiyuki Tomino's Mobile Suit Gundam in 1979 solidified it. In this genre, the mecha is the focal point of the action. But for a genre anime, Giant Robo does not feature many giant robot battles;[23] instead, it is the human characters who do the fighting."

While informative, this OVA is an adaption of a 1967 property and as such the giant robots in it operate based on rules and tropes that existed before Nagai's 'Hero Robot you drive around like a car' concept. The robots (including Giant Robo) are just that: very large robots, that obey the commands of operators speaking voice commands or operating levers and switches on the outside of their body, rather than driving them from a cockpit like some kind of vehicle.

I'm wondering if this line can be adjusted to still be succinct and informative but make clear that these robots behave more like those in Yokoyama's work rather than Nagai or Tomino's.

2607:FEA8:2B60:52:6951:C363:714A:A16D (talk) 15:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)