Talk:Giulia de' Medici

Possibly Bi-racial

Her father was bi-racial himself. That would make her bi-racial not "possibly" bi-racial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.232.41 (talk) 00:17, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

I resurrected (undeleted) this page after deleting it - it was not quite the page that the author asked to be delted on the Votes for deletion - I'm having serious wikipedia access problems at the moment, which explains why the wrong page got deleted. Thanks for the patience Tompagenet 00:50, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

sometimes i hate wikipedia, this article was really good...why was it deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.69.59 (talk) 03:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem; I probably should have used the "&redirect=no" URL version of the pointer to the typo page when I listed it. Noel 01:49, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Does anyone have a picture of the painting of Giulia as a little girl? It would be nice to put that famous painting on her page here. (NitaReads 06:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC))

The Medici are known as the Medici. I made the link and fixed one occurence but now I see there are others. --Wetman (talk) 21:34, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Biracial

"Acknowledged" by who? Certainly not by him, nor by most historians, i would have thought. Like the early medieval Scottish King nicknamed the Black, a great pile of speculation has been loaded onto a nickname. Johnbod (talk) 00:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

As I said, every source I found used terminology for his mother such as "Moorish," "North African," and "black." The claim in the article is sourced, multiple times. If you would like to find a source that says otherwise, go ahead and add it. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 01:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

No doubt i will some time - there is one, maybe more, modern historian who has taken the nickname/gossip seiously, and a whole pile of black studies and other writers who have followed up on him, but I don't think most specialist Renaissance historians are very convinced. The portraits are supposed to be prime evidence, and they aren't terribly convincing, are they? Johnbod (talk) 01:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The texts I've quoted from were both written by art historians with what appears to me sound knowledge of the Renaissance period. I believe the authors involved are university professors. And, judging from the portraits of Alessandro included in his article, he was of partial African descent. So was his daughter. In any event, the claims in the Giulia de' Medici article have been sourced. Go ahead and add to the article if there are conflicting claims. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 01:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, this guy (quoted by an opponent on one of your refs) certainly is an art historian:"In the only reference to the Duke's color in the entire 173-page catalogue of the Philadelphia exhibit, Karl Strehlke, the curator and organizer writes, "Some scholars have claimed that Alessandro's mother was a North African slave. This cannot be confirmed, however, and the text of a letter that she wrote to her son in 1529 suggests that she was an Italian peasant from Lazio." " from here It is misleading to treat the matter as generally accepted. Johnbod (talk) 01:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

If anyone has the picture of giulia as a child(the one where she is with maria salvati), you can very cleary see she is bi-racial. Yes I know it is unwise to judge from looks but when i saw that photo I was stunned. I myself am a quarter black and three quarters italian (just like giulia is claimed to be)and the resembelance to my pictures from when i was a similar age is striking. She really doesn't look fully white in that painting.Also anyone find it a little convenient that giulia was painted over(in aforementioned painting) in later years and also that a different painting that included her half sister porzia has been 'lost'. sounds like people were trying to cover up the black ancestry in this particular medici line...

Descendants

The article lead says "an ancestor of many of today's European royal houses" while the body says "an ancestor of most Italian noble houses and of the Habsburg and Bonaparte royal lines": these are not the same (two is not "many"). More seriously, the assertion about the Habsburg and Bonaparte royal lines is sourced to "Langdon (2006), p. 196" and does not appear on that page of that book: indeed, according to Google Books, the word Bonaparte does not occur anywhere in that book. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 21:06, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the author reports the subjects father as unknown and then sites the father in the second paragraph. This is clearly a problem. T. E. Wiles (talk) 03:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Actually, no. The book referenced mentioned a birth record found for a baby named Giulia Romola who had an unknown father. Based on other records and the date, she said the baby who was baptized was probably Giulia. There is no doubt at all who the father of Giulia was since she was raised in the de Medici household as the daughter of her deceased father. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)