Talk:Glückel of Hameln

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Suggest Renaming

I would suggest that the article be renamed to reflect Glikl's actual name according and its Yiddish transliteration, thus: Glikl Bas Leib and not Gluckel of Hameln. The latter is an anachronism (see discussions in Davis and Turniansky). Glikl herself was born in Hamburg, not Hameln, which was the birthplace of her husband.

• I agree with the above suggestion made 20 October 2012. Mcljlm (talk) 02:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Transwiki

You wrote: "trans from hebrew wikipedia". Please ad transwikireferences here and there. Mikkalai 09:19, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

References, discrepancies

A remark in the history says that the original article was translated from the Hebrew Wikipedia, but gives no indication of what its references might be (there seem to be none there).

• I was wondering about the (rather precise) birth and death dates. Sol Liptzin [Liptzin, 1972, 14] gives 1645–1724: that is, he doesn't even agree on the years, let alone the exact dates. Is there a specific source for the dates given in the article?
• Liptzin has her living mainly in Hamburg. According to him, she married a Jew of Hamelin, but lived there only briefly.
• Liptzin mentions quite a bit else, which I will add to the article on his authority, but since these points flat-out contradict what is already there, I thought I'd give someone an opportunity to cite sources before overriding anything.

Jmabel | Talk 06:22, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

Now we have Yet another set of conflicting, still unsourced dates. - Jmabel | Talk

Another Translation Exists.

While the Marvin Lowenthal translation was well-intentioned and contributed to the diary's acclaim, the Beth-Zion Abrahams version provides a much clearer window into her life and her writings. Abrahams did not edit out Glickl's quotations of religious stories or tracts and left in her oft-repeated blessings that Lowenthal and other male scholars found "somewhat tiresome." Some feminist scholars see Glikl's theologizing as a particularly female form of midrash. This connection is impossible to see in Lowenthal's terse and rather dry translation of the diary. Lowenthal saw the diary as useful in a historical sense, while Abrahams sought to illuminate the dynamic and lively character of the well-traveled and intensely religious woman who sat down to write a book ostensibly for her children and their children, but also for herself. (anon 12 June 2005)

• Please, feel more than free to add a bibliographical reference. Also, if you can cite someone in an article in some citable place who has this praise for Abrahams' version over Lowenthal's, please cite that too. These would be good additions to the article. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:06, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Theres a paper by Dorothy Bilick which discusses just that. Am adding a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.95.30.192 (talk) 19:51, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Reference and citation, other tips

Excellent work on the article so far @Trematetremate:, but I have some Wikipedia advice for you on references.

There are several different ways that different editors build their reference sections. Yours is fairly average, but the problem is that you repeatedly build reference for the same book for a different page, or sometimes the same page. There are some quick and pretty cool fixes for this. First, there are named citations, which are references that can be used numerous times and with a small, easy to type tag such as <nowiki><ref name=page32></nowikiki>, followed by the rest of the citation, to create it. You can read more about this here, but here's an example of my own work using this (go ahead and look at the source code, if you're not already editing in source, to see the tags at work).

The next is just and easy, and absolutely great for books for other frequently-cited works - the Harvard citation template. Building a section at the bottom of the article to contain your references, you can then tag them with |ref=harv to power sfn citations, which will link to the referenced work in your reference section. Joaquina Cabrera is an article where I personally have done this.

What all this will do is condense your citations section into neat little tags like "von Hamelin 1977, p. 131" (or however you want them to appear, thanks to Template:SfnRef), which will link to The memoirs of Glückel of Hameln. This form of citation is particularly handy when you are using a lot of books, as here, so that a reader can quickly easily trace a reference and pursue it themselves if they wish. Not to mention, this is also a much tidier of citation building.

I mentioned in the title here "other tips," but really all I have to offer here is to make sure your article(s) are well-illustrated. This is a requirement of higher-ranked articles, like Josephine Butler, because they break up the walls of text, make the page more interesting to look at, and can give you an opportunity to slip in some factoids that might not fit into your existing prose for one reason or another. So, other than pictures, never be afraid to experiment with your prose and code, and make full use of Wiki resources available to you (not that I need to tell you that, as you posted an assessment request here - you are the first to have done so, in fact!).

Happy editing! –Vami_IV✠ 06:56, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this excellent feedback, @Vami IV:. I am a new WikiEditor, so a tip like this is extremely helpful. Cheers! Trematetremate (talk) 22:38, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch

The article states that Rabbi Samson Hirsch was a descendent of Gluckel. It seems that he was actually descended from Gluckel's sister-in-law "Jenté Sara Miriam Gans, Behrends-Cohen (Goldschmidt-Hameln)" when tracing his lineage on geni.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.182.71.24 (talk) 13:53, 31 December 2021 (UTC)