Talk:Glassworks (composition)

Latest comment: 4 years ago by BD2412 in topic Requested move 2 May 2020

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If anyone really cares, this is not an article about a "European Classical" recording. Philip Glass is an American composer. I, however, am not experienced enough to change the characterization of this "stub." Could someone inform me how to do it, or do it themselves? Thank you.

Instruments?

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I presume this type of coding: "fl, 2 ssx, tsx, bcl, 2hn, vla, vc" describes the instruments used in each movement, but it is not clear what each means. 86.130.22.139 (talk) 02:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Flute, 2 soprano saxophones, tenor saxophone, bass cello (or bass clarinet?), 2 horns (French?), viola. Not sure what "vc" is. Perhaps someone of a more musical background than I (I only sing; I don't play an instrument) could identify them more accurately. MXocross (talk) 23:39, 19 November 2012 (GMT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.29.24 (talk)

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Requested move 2 May 2020

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Move to "Glassworks (composition)" and retarget Glassworks to Glass production. buidhe 22:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)Reply



Glassworks (Glass)Glassworks – Disambiguation is not needed. 188.30.36.94 (talk) 20:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

It was moved from Glassworks (composition) in February 2017 by User:Triplecaña, but it had been moved there a month before from the bare "Glassworks" by User:In ictu oculi, although the redirect seems never to have been repurposed and I can find no discussion about it.
Although no reason was given in either move's ES, I assumed that "(Glass)" was chosen to follow WP:NCMUSIC's many examples of disambiguation by last name. NCMUSIC gives no explicit guideline for that, but § by last name only implies it.62.165.200.11 (talk) 05:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
This is an unusual situation, where the surname of an individual happens to be the common-noun name of a product. It would be comparable to a metal band called "Metal" releasing an album called "Metalworks", with this being disambiguated as "Metalworks (Metal)". Wikipedia should give clarity to readers, and not compromise that because a composer came up with a clever name for their composition. I would find Glassworks (Glass album) or Glassworks (Glass composition) (or even Glassworks (Philip Glass)) to be improvements over this situation. However, I would reiterate that Glassworks should point to Glass production as the primary topic of the term. BD2412 T 15:34, 5 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Yes, perhaps we should move the composition and delete the "(Glass)" redirect per WP:RFD#D2, "may cause confusion". We can't expect readers to distinguish between "glass" and "Glass" in a disambiguating phrase. Same ed, new IP 188.143.76.193 (talk) 23:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Explanation

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(edit conflict: another editor closed the above discussion whilst I was typing this)

When I made the initial move request I didn't say much because I assumed it would be uncontroversial. I was clearly wrong there, so let me expand a little.

  • The page title Glassworks currently redirects to Glassworks (Glass), and has done for three years, which made me think this is the primary topic, hence my request.
  • Some above have suggested Glassworks should instead redirect to Glass production. I can see the logic behind this, but in fact that page makes only two passing mentions of the term "glassworks", without defining or explaining what it means, so that page would be of no use to anyone looking for that meaning of "glassworks".
  • I notice that the title Glass works (with a space) redirects to Glassblowing, but again that page makes only passing uses of the term without defining it.
  • I also notice that other pages linking to Glassworks make differing assumptions - some refer to the Philip Glass composition, others to glass manufacture, so whatever the outcome some of these will need cleaning up.
  • Maybe then the best solution would be for Glassworks to become a disambiguation page with links to the Philip Glass composition as well as to Glass production and Glassblowing.
  • If this is the case and the Philip Glass composition is not deemed the primary topic, then the page on the composition should remain at its present title Glassworks (Glass) according to the naming convention WP:NCMUSIC:

When the name of a non-generic composition is neither unique nor the primary topic under this name, add the composer's last name as parenthetical disambiguator: