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Founders of Glastonbudget, role of Richard Coupe

After a bunch of problematic changes by Nottingham IP 78.149.101.140 and single-purpose account Turnpost Farm, and attempts by Noq to find a middle position, I have restored the previous version of the article. All of the cited sources are clear about who founded the festival: Christopher Dunn and Nicholas Tanner. It's apparent that the people who are now running the festival wish to distance themselves from the founders, both of whom have been convicted of sex crimes. A white-wash job such as that cannot be considered.

Since none of the cited sources mentions Richard Coupe, I searched his name along with the festival name, and got hardly anything as a result. One result is a court paper filed by Mockstar against Richard Coupe, alleging that Coupe registered the trademark of Glastonbudget as an agent of Mockstar under instructions from Tanner, such that the trademark belongs to Mockstar and not Coupe. This court filing is not a reliable source, being the statement of only one of the parties. It's also not allowed per WP:BLPPRIMARY. Two other links that showed up in my search were these two online discussion threads, which are not reliable sources either. So nothing can be written here about Richard Coupe's role until we get a reliable source, preferably a WP:SECONDARY source, talking about his connection. Binksternet (talk) 20:52, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Binksternet. Turnpost Farm still seems intent on pushing their version rather than discussing it here. I have restored your version and looked a bit more closely at the references - including some mentioned in edit summaries. The Melton Times article here[1] written in 2005 dose mention William Coupe as co-founder. Dunn is not mentioned at that time. However later references from PSNEurope(2010) and Birmingham Live(2012) mention Dunn ss co-founder. More recently, NME describes the founders as Tanner and a friend. I would suggest that the MElton Times article being contemporary with the start of the event would support William Coupe being credited as a co-founder with the later mentions of Dunn a rewrite of history. In any case, I see no need to mention the founders names in the lead at all.noq (talk) 09:54, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I’ve discussed it, but no one is listening, I have the proof here, but you won’t let me get that info to you. Pm me and I will forward proof. Turnpost Farm (talk) 10:21, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

In March 2009, BirminghamLive wrote that Nick Tanner and Chris Dunn created the festival. "The cut-price event was dreamed up by pub landlord Nick Tanner, 35, and 34 year-old music teacher Chris Dunn, both from Leicester and was first staged four years ago." In 2010, Pro Sound News Europe confirmed that these two were the founders: "Dunn is half of the brains behind Glastonbudget; he runs Soar Valley Music Centre - a large music charity. His mate Nick Tanner, landlord of The Harrow Inn in Thurmaston, is the other half. Since creating the event in 2005, the two of them have been instrumental in increasing attendance..." By 2016, the story had changed to whitewash the name of Dunn, with NME writing "The festival was created by 40-year-old Nick Tanner, who formerly ran pubs and regularly booked tribute acts. One night, on the piss, he and a friend hatched a plan to host a bigger tribute act event. A few pints on, it became Glastonbudget. They found a farmer..."

Noq, your Melton Times source is new to me. This is the first source that names William Coupe as an "event organiser" of Glastonbudget. Taking that as a search term, I found another corroborating source in MusicOHM "...organisers NicholasTanner and William Coupe deserve credit..." There is also a copy of a 2006 Mirror article viewable at The Free Library which names William Coupe alone as "the organiser".[2] I wonder what is the relationship of William Coupe to Richard Coupe? Binksternet (talk) 16:59, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Richard Coupe and William R C oupe are one of the same person. He is also referred to as W Richard Coupe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turnpost Farm (talk • contribs) 20:44, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

With reference to the Chris Dunn posts the LEICESTER mercury where he was sentenced refers to Chris only being invoiced with Glastonbudget from 2007 to 2009.

Also the Melton times ref Richard coupe was printed Thursday 21 April 2005. If you google search “melton times william coupe” n look for 2005 it will come up with Glastonbury which is actually referring to Glastonbudget, three peoples names mentioned one is the co founder Nicholas Tanner, William Coupe and the farmers name Andrew Harby.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Turnpost Farm (talk • contribs) 22:12, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Founders

There is no mention of Chris Dunn anywhere when the Glastonbudget festival started in 2005, how can chris Dunn be a founder when there is no mention of him till 2007 also when he was charged it states he was an employee of glastonbudget between the dates of 2007 to 2009, if I could forward a photo of a news paper article you would realise what I’m publishing is the truth.

How you class someone who states as only working for Glastonbudget between the dates of 2007 and 2009 could be a founder is beyond me. He is missing nearly 3 years before starting. Turnpost Farm (talk) 13:21, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

As suggested I’m content for there to be no mention of co founders at all. I think that is an exceptable middle ground to work on for now. Turnpost Farm (talk) 15:44, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

You are editing with a WP:Conflict of interest, which means you cannot engage in edit warring with uninvolved editors.

You say you have private proof about the founders but published sources are what Wikipedia is built on, especially WP:SECONDARY sources. Binksternet (talk) 16:32, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Turnpost Farm - you say it was published in a newspaper - please provide the name of the paper, which issue and which page(s). We may be able to WP:VERIFY that. You must not keep reverting just because what you keep repeating is not accepted at face value. Wikipedia is not WP:TRUTH. noq (talk) 16:49, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

The paper was Melton times. We are happy to go with what you suggest and not have who co founded Glastonduget. That way it’s suits all. Richard Coupes full name is William Richard Coupe but is know as Richard. There is also companies house where the info can be obtained from. Turnpost Farm (talk) 19:32, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Also in the founder post above you agree it’s William Coupe, also known as Richard Coupe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turnpost Farm (talk • contribs) 20:47, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

The reference does not refer to any Richard. Someone at Companies house with that name is not necessarily this one.noq (talk) 14:52, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Then please also search on companies house as mockstar ltd owns glastonbudet and there is no Chris Dunn listed.

Chris was only mentioned in 2007 so how can you come to the conclusion he was there in 2005. There also is no proof to say Chris Dunn was around at the start because he wasn’t hence why you Carnt find anything going back to the start.

I think an amicable resolution on this would be just to remove any association with co founder. As that’s the only way where info would all then be correct. Turnpost Farm (talk) 19:46, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Companies house only shows ownership and directors of the company - initially, Mockstar Limited but this has been put in liquidation and Mockstar Festivals Limited has replaced it. noq (talk) 14:52, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Since we have solid sourcing for Tanner and Dunn being the founders, and also for Tanner and Coupe being the founders, the article should present both of these contradictory claims to the reader, citing sources for both. I'm not in favor of removing such information, to whitewash the article. Binksternet (talk) 17:24, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I'd be happy with that - but no need to mention any founder names in the lead. noq (talk) 17:56, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Then can we remove all founder information then please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turnpost Farm (talk • contribs) 17:43, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

No! That would be whitewashing the article. Binksternet (talk) 19:26, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Founder

Then can we remove all content of founders, as all info you say is solid is info published after 2010 and as Chris Dunn left before then it would be unproven info and incorrect. Turnpost Farm (talk) 17:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

No. There are many sources talking about the founders, so we should summarize for the reader what those sources say. Binksternet (talk) 19:25, 8 February 2019 (UTC)