Talk:Global F.C./Archive 1

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Please update the lineup as of September 2012. Thank you. --Bernejay (talk) 22:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. It was helpful that someone found the pointer to the FOOTY discussion. WP:NCA appears to discourage the use of full stops with acronyms, but the usage of F.C. with football teams generally is not consistent across Wikipedia. It seems we will have to rely on case-by-case voting to decide which one to use. Please remain civil in move discussions. EdJohnston (talk) 02:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Global F.C. → Global FC – Proper name; in the same manner as Sydney FC. Banana Fingers (talk) 13:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. The way I understand Sydney FC, the "FC" doesn't stand for anything, same thing with KFC. In Global F.C.'s case, "F.C." stands for "Football Club". –HTD 14:40, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Hmmmm. The case of Sydney FC does seem interesting, as it is apparently registered under the "Sydney Football Club" name, so that means the title of that article should be at "Sydney F.C." and not at "Sydney FC". The "FC" without the full stops should only be used if "FC" doesn't stand for anything (as in the KFC example), or if the "FC" is from a language that is not English (as in FC Barcelona). –HTD 14:45, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
  • A discussion at WP:FOOTY, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Clubs#Article titles - FC vs. F.C. vs. nothing turned stale; in any case, that discussion did not result in anything. Perhaps this should be the time to revisit naming guidelines. –HTD 14:50, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
• LOL @ HTD thinking he knows anything about footy! Like I told you before, just stay the f away!! The club is known as "Global FC"!! Banana Fingers (talk) 15:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Meh. Philippine Daily Inquirer mostly calls them "Global", the TV coverage calls them Global. The only time "FC" is used is when the other team also has FC in it. –HTD 03:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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Update current squad

Can someone update the current squad as of August. Thank you FairyTailRocks (talk) 09:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Content dispute resolution

An open discussion to the IP editor. I saw you keep removing the "head coaching history" section as well the template. As far that I am concerned, please do not delete the table since it is supported by reliable sources. You were also adding an another table in the "sponsors" section with no sources; we have a guideline here called No original research which states "The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist." Third, it was said in the official website of the club that Dan Palami is the "Chief Executive" and not the Chairman (see last reference). And finally, the statistics section including the performance in the Singapore Cup and AFC President's Cup is all summarized in the "History" section of the article. I hope this gives you a reason on why I keep reverting to your edits. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! FairyTailRocks (talk) 00:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Global F.C./GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 04:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• I'll do this review.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
• Let me know when the Peer Review has been completed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:13, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Glad to see that the toolbox shows no issues.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:06, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

WP:LEAD

• After just reading the LEAD, I doubt it adequately summarizes the rest of the article. I feel that I should know who owns the team. I.E., I don't understand the affiliation with Leyte Football Association. Is that a public or private entity? Also, has the team had any successful players or coaches/managers? I.E., are there hall of fame or all-star personalities associated with this franchise. Make sure the Lead summarizes the entire article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

• The lead has improved. The club is affiliated with Leyte F.A. because Dan Palami which is the owner/chief executive of Global is the president of the association. [1], [2], [3]. I'm not sure if its public or private but I do know its parent is the Philippine Football Federation. [4] This team is established in March 2000 but they started participating in minor local competitions around Manila, the official website didn't said the achievement(s) Global has accomplish. Plus it is hard to find some of this stats in any search engine. I assume good faith that the blogs I used as sources in the 2009 UFL Cup are true. FairyTailRocks 12:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• In general the article seems a bit light for an entire franchise even though the franchise is barely 14 years old.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Foundation

• "After hiring football players from employees in the company Autre Porte Technique Global" suggests that there is an owner who pays the players. The organizational structure needs to be made clear.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

• Just found out that Dan Palami is the owner of Global. [5], [6], [7]. But in the their website they call him "chief executive" [8], [9]. FairyTailRocks 12:24, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• Something should be said about the club's achievements between 2000 and 2009.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:28, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

• Per above. I only added the 2009 UFL Cup. FairyTailRocks 12:25, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• The acquisition of key players should be mentioned. When were the key players for the following season acquired.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:31, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

• I browsed the club's news since 2011. Majority of them are loans from different teams which is not a very big deal in putting them to the history section. [10], [11], [12]. However, I saw some transfers [13], [14] will I add those?— Preceding unsigned comment added by FairyTailRocks (talk • contribs) 09:32, 14 April 2014

• I don't know this sport well. This article should not include a list of common player transactions. This is an article that should include historically significant personalities for the franchise.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:15, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

• Comment It is unclear to me why the extensive detail begins in 2010. Clearly the article was started in 2011. Were they suddenly playing in major league competitions with broader press coverage. Is this just wikipedians chronicling current events? What is going on here?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:40, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

• Per above. At the second season of the league, AKTV, a now-defunct free TV sports channel and sister channel of TV5 made a deal to air UFL football matches for the first time. [15] Because of this, they covered articles of news and football matches around the UFL. Also, the PFF National Cup was only established last 2011. [16] In short, because of their joining to the UFL, they rose to stardom and began to compete national and international competitions. FairyTailRocks 12:38, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• The article needs to make it clear that this sort of started as a recreational sport later transitioned to serious competitive athletics. You need to domonstrate the transition point.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

• Added it in the lead. FairyTailRocks 09:44, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Keep in mind that all facts mentioned in the LEAD need to be summaries of the same facts in the main body. I.e., the main body should have at least as much detail regarding any fact as the LEAD.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:28, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

• FAIL I do understand that you are being responsive to my concerns, but the problem is that the article is still at a stage in which we are fleshing out basic content that needs to be added. I feel like I am reading an article and saying "Hey I know this type of information is missing". You respond by finding it. Right now, as I read the article, I remain befuddled by the decision making structure of the team in the early days. I don't know when or how Palami acquired his controlling stake. Also, this article is outside of my area of expertise. I am surely going to try to suggest changes that might not necessarily be proper and miss some that people who know the sport would suggest. If the article were in better shape, I would withdraw and ask another reviewer to take over. However, I would suggest that you review Wikipedia:WIAGA and make sure the article adheres to it. I think the article fails WIAGA #3 and am failing the article on that basis. If you are uncomfortable with my decision, you can seek a second opinion at WP:GAR.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:41, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I stand behind my decision to fail the article for the reasons stated above and the sometimes subpar prose. A sentence like "Dan Palami is the chief executive officer of the company was eventually hire as the owner of Global." is ungrammatical with one subject and three awkwardly strewn verbs.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

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