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"Go Go" or "Go-Go"?

Does anyone have a source that gives a definitive justification of spelling it "go-go" as opposed to "go go"? I used to spell it without a hyphen because it was written that way on Chuck Brown's website somewhere, but I just recently did a search and saw that several of the most credible sources (The Washington Post, Take Me Out to the Go-Go magazine) always spell it with the hyphen. I realize that go-go is an organic sort of phenomenon, and Chuck Brown might not have a specific spelling in mind when he first used the term, but it would be nice to have a source that gives a definitive spelling. 140.247.31.107 06:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is a definitive spelling. --AW 16:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Good question, look at album covers, perhaps(?)--John Bessa (talk) 16:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

   Crucial question, bcz the hyphenated spelling pretty much guarantees it the title Go-go instead of Go go (music subgenre).
   I was skeptical, and, well, suspicious that someone had intentionally angled for the "principal topic" (un-suffixed title) by hyphenating the title. I took my suspicion to the bank, as it were, collecting the half-dozen or so individual performers in the Category, and the half-dozen or so groups in its sub-Cat. Cutting and pasting, i had a Google search target:

"go-go" "Chuck Brown" OR "Mike Dillon" OR "Jimi Dougans" OR "Anwan Glover" OR "Kevin Hammond" OR "Anthony Harley" OR "DJ Kool" OR "Bob Mintzer" OR "Experience Unlimited" OR "Junk Yard Band" OR "Mambo Sauce" OR "Rare Essence" OR "RDGLDGRN" OR "Trouble Funk"

   Not as clever as i thot: 1) "go-go" and "go go" are treated as interchangeable, and 2) search keys joined by OR are not given equal weight, at least if you're only looking at the earliest hits-pages from the search.
   But rather than hold you in suspense, pages that mention the godfather of Go-go strongly prefer hyphenation. Having gone this far, i'm going to do the dozen or so separate searches to be sure they show a similar trend, and add info on them below, with the expectation that the order-unbiased result will confirm that trend for the record, bcz it's easier for me to keep going that leave doubt or leave someone else to start over to eliminate the doubt. Unless someone reads this quickly and has a better toolkit, i'll post the result as the next talk contrib in this section.
--Jerzy•t 02:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

A result labelled m/n/p means m out of 20 previews mention only hyphenated version, n mention only unhyph, and p mention both. (I'm looking at none of the actual found pages, and mentions inside the URL don't count, i.e. Google's "title" for the page, plus its extract from the page.) When m+n+p≠20, the difference is made up by FB or other pages whose titles and summaries don't actually mention the genre, or mention it only as "Gogo" or "GoGo". Oh, or by recounting until i'd accounted for 20 by miscounting, when there was a meaningless with-hyphen hit. (See methodological faults, below.)

"go-go" "Chuck Brown" About 164,000 hits: 16/3/1

"go-go" "Bob Mintzer" About 122,000: 2/18/0

"go-go" "DJ Kool" About 71,300: 15/5/0

"go-go" "Trouble Funk" About 62,300: 16/3/0

"go-go" "Kevin Hammond" About 48,800: 17/1/0

"go-go" "Rare Essence" About 46,600: 14/4/0

"go-go" "RDGLDGRN" About 30,700: 14/3/3

"go-go" "Mike Dillon" About 22,400: 19/1/0

"go-go" "JunkYard Band" about 15,700: 12/6/1 * Google-suggested alternative; perhaps article name should be "Junkyard Band"

"go-go" "Experience Unlimited" About 14,300: 12/6/2

"go-go" "Mambo Sauce" About 10,100: 14/3/1

"go-go" "Junk Yard Band" About 5,590: 11/7/0 * Wikipedia article title

"go-go" "Anwan Glover" About 4,040: 19/1/0

"go-go" "Anthony Harley" About 3,900: 20/0/0

"go-go" "Jimi Dougans" About 474: 18/1/0

Methodological weaknesses: I left in WP hits, and some likely to have been copied from WP; only partway thru did i realize that Google occasionally gives 11 hits per page; i conjecture that the hit on images turned up by my search key, "which don't count", and that some of my counts for individual musicians include an images-hit (always counted as hyphenated bcz "page title" always echoing my always-hyphenated key), and omit another hit that i missed when i finally did a (bad!) re-count that totaled the 20 i expected, when there really were 21 items on the 2 pages, counting the images-hit.
Altho Bob Mintzer appears to have been huge and highly consistent voice for no hyphen -- perhaps by mentioning its absence to every interviewer and publicist -- overall there's a strong consensus for the hyphen.
--Jerzy•t 06:36, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Modern bands

Modern Day Bands include:

• Northeast Groovers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.1.231 (talk) 08:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
• Backyard band
• Junkyard Band
• Rare Essence
• ABM
• TOB
• TCB
• UEB
• XIB
• HEAVY IMPACT
• KSF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.91.253.18 (talk) 16:06, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
• Myia band — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.91.253.18 (talk) 16:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
• CCB
• Reaction Band
• New Vision
• UBB Stars
• MDB
• AAO
• NEB — added to article by 208.88.120.86, moved to talk page by Closenplay (talk) 20:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

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It's ridiculous to try to include anything like this here, they change every 5 minutes, http://gogobeat.com/Bands tries to add new ones when they appear, and now has 307 entries, I'm sure at least 200 of them have performed at least once in the last 2 years. 71.246.215.8 (talk) 04:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

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Note re: what TCB abbreviates: I think you're definitely right that it meant "Total Control Band", James Brown's "Taking Care of Business" band of course makes everyone think of that, but, (as far as I can tell), for a long time now the band just refers to itself as "TCB". I don't think it stands for ANYTHING, anymore, it is ALWAYS just "TCB". I'd be interested to see if there is any mention of the band as "Total Control Band" _anywhere_ other than people trying to un-abbreviate it parenthetically like we are doing here, within the last 5 years... They do put it as "T.C.B" (note, no final period...), and they put it as "TCB - The Bounce Beat Kings", but _mostly_ the band itself just refers to itself on flyers and sites as "TCB", and _never_ for I don't know how long as "Total Control Band". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.215.8 (talk) 19:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

   I've no idea why this needed discussion, but TCB (disambiguation) should draw your attention to TCB (TV program),

a 1968 television special produced by Motown Productions and George Schlatter–Ed Friendly Productions.... The title of the program uses a then-popular acronym, "TCB", which stands for "Taking Care of Business".

and to the TCB Band,

... a group of professional musicians who formed the core rhythm section of Elvis Presley’s band from August 1969 until his death in 1977.

On the other hand, Googling "james brown's Taking Care of Business" gets you to this talk page, and someone's copy of it.

--Jerzy•t 07:44, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Go-go (or specifically, Chuck Brown) userbox

• User:RadioKAOS/UBX2. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 10:10, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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Problems with the rhythmic analysis

I came to learn about go-go so I'm steering well clear of doing any edits myself, but I think I've identified some issues in the "Description" section that should be fixed by someone with more go-go knowledge.

Here's the problem sentence: "In technical terms, "go-go's essential beat is characterized by a five through four syncopated rhythm"

1. "five through four" is not a musical term I've heard, although "five against four" is. 2. But it's not five against four. The audio example has six, not five sounds, and they're not evenly spaced, which is usually the requirement for using the "against" formulation. Here's a transcription of the article's audio example for "basic go-go beat"

K=Kick, S=Snare, and o=rest

Kooo SoKo ooKo SKoo (quarter, eighth, eighth, eighth rest, quarter, sixteenth, dotted 8th)

So it's either 6 hits spread out (not evenly) over 4 beats, or, if you consider the snares just to be backbeats then the kick pattern has only 4 hits. The audio clip attached to the article sounds great, and the pattern is indeed what the kick and snare play on the iconic "Bustin' Loose", so I think the only problem is the wording in the "Description" section.

Later in that section, "a swing rhythm is often implied if not explicitly stated". Again using Bustin' Loose as the reference point, I'd say it definitely has the type of "swing" at the 16th note level that's found in hip-hop and funk, which is to say not all the way to the triplet. Swing is an incredibly complex topic that hasn't been satisfactorily demystified in Wikipedia or elsewhere and the most common use of the term pertains to swing jazz, where written 8th notes are stretched towards 8th note triplets (or all the way at slower tempos). That's not at all what's happening in go-go since it's swinging in a different sense and at the 16th note level. I would say that until Wikipedia has a thorough, definitive article on swing (which would be a massive contribution to the world!) that the term "swing" be used very carefully in articles like this one.

On August 22, 2021 (Chuck Brown Day) It was announced that just under 2000 photographic images taken by photographer Chip Py added to Go-Go Archive at DC Public Library

https://www.dclibrary.org/node/68645 108.28.194.132 (talk) 19:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

https://dcist.com/story/21/08/17/dcpl-go-go-photo-collection-chuck-brown-band-rare-essence/