Talk:Goa/archive3

Goa Blog

There is a very nice blog of Goa. Its called Goa Blog. It covers articles on Goa’s Art, Culture, Traditions, Tourism, tourist spots, News, Exclusive photographs and articles of Goa … & much more.

links: Goa Blog URL: www.goablog.org

--Parab 17:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

There should be a link provided for the blog in the external links.

NNo there shouldn't, as it goes against Wikipedia's external links guideline to have links to blogs because they are inherently not reliable sources. Also it is against that guideline and against the conflict of interest guideline to link to sites you are affiliated with. Graham87 05:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Graham87,

Both the issues pointed are not correct as to my knowledge. 1. This is Goa Blog, the information contained is true to best of my knowledge. I am a Goan, I know Goa better than a non Goan. 2. I am in no ways affiliated with the Goa Bloggers.

I wished to include it because Goa Blog is a wonderful source of information for travelers coming to Goa. I think it doesnot violate the Wikipedia policies. Please correct me if I am wrong by pointing to the exact policy the external link violates.

Thank You --Parab 14:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

It violates point #11 of the "links normally to be avoided" section of WP:EL which states: "Links to blogs and personal webpages, except those written by a recognized authority." The only articles where links to blogs are appropriate that I can think of now are google and emacspeak - both of those articles link to blogs associated with the authors of the software. Graham87 14:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Can we have a 'links-to-Goa' template, please?

There are a whole range of articles linked to Goa scattered about the wikipedia. But anyone visiting the main 'Goa' page would not have a clue of what other pages connect with this subject, at a quick glance. I was inspired by the "Articles of Taiwan" page at the Taiwan section, and was wondering if we could have something similar on Goa. This would encourage more people to create posts and branches on subjects related to Goa itself, without necessarily cluttering up the (already-long) main page further. --fredericknoronha 11:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

May be I am not getting you point, but could it mean the toolbox->what links here tool? --BBird 21:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

What I mean to ask is: can we build a portal for Goa? fredericknoronha 11:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

A silly, quick question

Is it pronounced Go-a, Go-ah or Gow?

Sorry *roll eyes*

• Definitely not Gow. It could vary between Go-a and Go-ah (without too much emphasis on the "ah").

In Devanagari scripts, the name gets rendered as Gova. --fredericknoronha 20:23, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

But I also should have said above that it is usually pronounced as Goa or even Goah. --fredericknoronha 10:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

a small note

1787 is the 18th century, not the 17th century.

Link to Carnival

In the section on Culture, the link to Carnival is not the link to the Carnival festival, but rather to the general article on carnivals. Should the link be removed?

An accuracy question

The article claims the U.N. and World Court ruled for self-determination in the 1950's. I checked lists of U.N. resolutions and World Court rulings. I found U.N. Resolution 1541 mentions Goa (15 Dec. 1960) and World Court Judgement 12 Apr. 1960 (hence not in 1950's) and neither ruling found for self-rule as claimed in the article. Does anyone care to fact-check this for possible correction?

my small contribution: the UN generally defended self-determination of territories and this was the basis for a number of speeches, resolutions against Portugal at theis time. Self determination was of course something diferent from integration in Indian Union territory, and this was never suported by the UN. --BBird 22:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

wow

"Is it pronounced Go-a, Go-ah or Gow?"

man im from goa and i see a lot of tourists but they all know how to say it

– this comment would be more helpful if it included how these tourists say it.

Inspired by the French Revolution???

"An interesting development of the 18th century in Goa is the Conspiracy Of The Pintos in 1787 which was inspired by the French Revolution."

The French Revolution took place in 1789-1799, so how is the Conspiracy of The Pintos in 1787 inspired by an event that took place afterwards? Galo1969X 07:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Goa tends to, like many a region which has undergone lone colonialism, be very polarised. Much of the interpretation of the past (and present) also tends to be posturing and convenient stand-taking, as the above question (rightly, in my view) suggests. So we've got to be careful. Specially when it comes to the differing versions (and interpretations) of history currently believed in -- in Goa and among its scattered population. --fredericknoronha 10:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Apart from the obvious mistake noted above, the third, fourth and fifth paragraphs of the History section are very incoherent. I hope they will soon be reorganized by someone who is conversant with the topic. For instance: did Goa become the most important Portuguese colony in India only after the Revolution of the Pintos, as the current text suggests, or soon after its initial founding, as I suspect is the case? -- Paul Romney

When of its conquest it was by far the most important Portuguese colony in Asia. Even after it declined in importance to Macau in later centuries it was allways considered the capital of Portuguese India. I remember a letter from Afonso de Albuquerque (2nd Viceroy of Portuguese India) to the King of Portugal in which mentions precisely Goa being the capital of Portugal Eastern possessions (over Malaca which was arguably the most important port of the Far East). At that time Goa was one of the major cities in India. In fact it was repeatedly mentioned by the Portuguese of the time (don't know how accurately) as the major city in West India. Pedro Madeira

Tel-Aviv beach

Anyone knows anything about "Tel-Aviv beach" or "Khof Tel-Aviv" in Goa? Psychomel@di_(s)cussion 22:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

One section of the Anjuna-Vagator beach (formerly a fishing village, then a hippy haunt since the late 'sixties -- after Calangute) was renamed, unofficially of course, as "Tel-Aviv beach" by the tourists and visitors. Likewise, in Canacona the tourists talk of a Butterfly Island. None of the locals know these names, but Tel-Aviv beach is a little more popular in informal usage.--fredericknoronha 11:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

last change - macroeconomic trend - bad data

I think it is very bad to compare the new and the old data:

1. one is in Indian Rupees, then follows $
2. in the table the amount for 2000 is about 76,980 (million rupees), and then 3 billions ($) for 2004
3. one is in current prices, then in market prices

Either, somebody will find the data which can be compared, or it would be better to delete something. -jkb- 09:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

blogs in ext. links - revert of revert - please say your opinion

I gues yesterday an IP address added Blog of a Journalist living in Goa to external links; I reverted this as blogs normally are no good source for us and as Wikipedia is not google (see summary of edit); now again somebody is adding the same blog without saying why it should be here; please tell your oppinion, -jkb- 11:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Conglomerates

User:-jkb- reverted my edit on June 8, 2006 with the following comments

sorry, you surelly know what you are talking about; but other ones ask: what is Zuari industries, Sesa Goa, what is S&P CNX 500... Wiki is for all not only for experts, ok?)

I guess he has failed to read the revision history properly before reverting. The reference to the two S&P500 conglomerates were made by User:Anwar saadat and I merely rephrased the sentence (Please also note the "minor" tag to my edits). You have merely reverted the rephrase, and not the actual content. I have reverted back to the rephrased edit. IMO, the sentence should probably stand. But, if you want to remove it, use the correct edit version. Chancemill 03:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I am afraid you misunderstood me and my revert. Probably the reverted sentence should be in the article. But the problem is *just like in many other articles+, that some people do not think about the fact whom do we write the encyclopaedia for. Not for experts - they do not search that facts here, but for normal people. And the reverted sentence is fully ununderstandable for them. What is S&P CNX 500? Such termsw must be explained a bit in the text. If it is OK for you it doesn't mean that everybody must know what it is. Sorry. -jkb- 07:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The Bourne Supremacy

Jason Bourne (Matt Damon) is in Goa, India at the first of the movie. I'm not sure how to put that on the page, so i'll leave it up to you guys.

This should be in a "Trivia" or "Goa in Popular Culture" section

thousands of Hindus

You write and thousands of Hindus in Goa ... were burned alive instead of hundreds. Can you give some source? -jkb- 10:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Language Section

I think this article badly needs a "LANGUAGE(S)" section!

Help wanted in dealing with a Goa spammer

Every so often a spammer using an IP address that starts with 64.228.225. spams links to bogus web sites. I have tracked down and reverted all I could find, but I'm getting a little sick of tracking all these articles on my watchlist (it's up to 263 pages by now). Can I ask the regular, frequent editors of this article to keep an eye out for this person? If they hit again, please revert the edit and warn the spammer. If you have the time, check out what other edits they made that day and revert them as well -- or just let me know and I'll do it. The link they like to add to this article is

[http: // www geocities com/wwwebmonitor/goa html Links to Goan Resources].

The real point of the link is to build search engine rankings for the commercial links at the bottom of the page; the same spamdexer is linking similarly bogus pages for Hindu mystical figures and U.S. country music stars -- all with the same links at the bottom of the page.

The spammer also recently created an account, User:Borgengruft.

For more info, see:

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive117#Link-spamming from someone in the IP address block 64.228.225.xxx
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive118#Update -- now using Borgengruft?
• User:A. B./To do list#Abusers

Thanks for your help.--A. B. 07:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Television Section

This section is a mess from a copy-editing point of view, and its relevance is questionable as well. It might make sense to list the local television channels, but do we really care that you can get HBO via satellite in Goa? --Jaysweet 19:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Not only this section. I guess that some Goa fans think this is the biggest Goa travel guide where every mile stone must be described. But such “informations” make the article less worth. -jkb- 09:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Ethnicity and Surnames

"Most of the Christians of Goa are of Dravidian descent. Many of them are Dalit converts".

This is incorrect. The Christians in Goa dericve from the same ethnic stock as the Hindus in Goa. Dalit conversions to Christianity are fairly recent. The use of the term many is an overstatement. Please make some changes to this segment

I agree with the above comment. I think most of the Chritians in Goa can trace their ancestry back to the Portuguese policy of forced conversion in the seventeenth-century. There are many Catholic brahman family (e.g. the Meneses Braganças). I wonder, though I hope I'm wrong, if describing the Goan catholics as Dravidian/Dalits is meant as some sort of slur? Paul Castro 08:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

"This is evident in the caste system used by the Catholics." What on earth does this mean? Since when do Catholics use a caste system? It's not even clear what "This" refers to in the sentence. Suggest that the sentence just be deleted. delrava at hotmail dot com.

Traditional Goan architecture

When I took a look at the traditional Goan house on this article, it looks a lot like the traditional houses I see in Malaysia. Does this house have Malay influence in any way or perhaps the Goans have brought their influence over to the Malays of Malaysia? --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fantastic4boy (talk • contribs)

An example of traditional Goan architecture.

Goa invasion in the view of a Portuguese general in Goa

• In Portuguese - can be used by others or for references sake. -Pedro 02:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Hindi is not the national language of India

The article wrongly states that "Hindi" is the national language of India. There is no language considered as the national language of India. However, Hindi is the main official language of the Govenment of India.

Konkani Wikipedia

Dear Konknni friends,

Konkani Wikipedia has been started and been in test stage since August 2006.

Kindly contribute towards the Konkani wikipedia. We intend to make it a multiscript

Wikipeida. At least tri-script with Roman ,Devanangiri and Kannada scripts since these are the most popular ones.

We would like to get more articles/templates in place. We also need volunteers to do the thankless and boring job of transliterating it to different scripts .

As of now only two members are making active contributions. The more the merrier. Your contribution is vital to its success.

The url is given below:

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Konkani_Wikipedia

Dev boro dees deum! -Deepak D'Souza 07:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)